Not over yet

 Lots to unpack in this Powerline summary.  Also, interesting demographics from the New York Times, though I haven't tried to go behind the paywall to figure out whether this is national or regional:



11 comments:

ymarsakar said...

Another prediction. They stole too many votes. Even americans who..... wont stand for. They wont. Too pissed off now.

I am calm but i can sense tge anger. Also correlates to astrology.

douglas said...

Have you seen how Trump did in Texas' most Hispanic counties? Pretty amazing

douglas said...

I'm trying to understand how Trump lost ground among white males- I can't even imagine the thinking of a white male voting for Trump in 2016 but not in 2020. Maybe that was all among new voters?

Christopher B said...

douglas, my seat of the pants guess is a combination of two things. White males are most likely to be benefiting from the globalism that Trump has been taking a wrecking ball to the last four years. It's been dying since the end of the Cold War but Trump wasn't easing the transition. This is the source of the opposition to him from the GOPe.

I think this is where COVID hit him hardest. There's been a lot of grumbling about Trump's lack of 'leadership'. His style, and what he felt his priorities were in the crisis, just didn't fit with the focus on consensus-building that has become typical of many organizations. And don't discount that he agitated the women those men are married to, and Biden offered the possibility of reducing the agitation without really changing much of the response.

Grim said...

Trump won a historic high among minority groups, advanced the House standings for his party, and held the Senate. But we're supposed to believe he lost, based on more than a million 'found' vote tranches, some of them 100% for his opponent and not even a single vote for third parties? It's obvious fraud.

The question is what to do about it. The obvious answers are not pleasant.

Grim said...

I'm not even a committed Trump guy. I wouldn't go to one of his rallies if invited. But fraud on this scale -- well, as Ymar says -- it demands a response. This is a free country. Those who want to steal it should suffer the consequences.

ymarsakar said...

Grim, they also targeted my state of Georgia. They done and crossed the line there.

The way my powers work is like aikido or tai chi. It is easier if someone attacks first.

Gives me permission.

The commenters at OAN have noticed that the turnout for these states is over 100%. Total votes surpass total registerd voters by millions.

Election fraud does not matter because trump won 2016? Lol.

Texan99 said...

Yes, we continue to "find" more "votes." That fix probably is in, though there's some chance the lawsuits will have an effect.

Douglas, yes, the gains on the Texas border were impressive. I do wonder about the future of the Republican party. If continues in a relatively Trump-like direction, away from country-club politics or crony capitalism, some good may still come of all this. I suppose, if the Biden/Harris ticket is as much of a steaming pile as I expect it to be, Trump himself could run again in 2024. It's probably better if the banner passes to someone younger, however. Whatever the specific mix of policies such a person brings to the table, his or her qualities will have to include a perfect indifference to the usual PC shaming tactics, and a willingness to appoint as many cabinet heads and senior officials as necessary to carry out a new administration's policies honestly.

In the meantime, it looks like the Ds will not gain control of the Senate, so no court-packing or adding new states for a while, and probably none of the most insane legislative initiatives. If the carnage is particularly severe, there may even be progress in Congress in the 2022 elections.

In my local elections, by the way, we had three bond proposals, all of which probably should have failed. The big one, $17MM for the new courthouse did fail; only the two smaller ones, for about $2.5MM together, passed. The voters are feeling slightly frisky, always a good thing.

ymarsakar said...

https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1324174186366074880?s=20

This is why I don't like Demoncrats. Nor necessarily most Republicans.

One side is cheating. The other side is trying to appease the psychopaths in this relationship instead of divorcing them or fighting back.

Trump somehow ticks off two of those boxes but is still fighting. Which is fine and good but will the slaves rebel?

E Hines said...

The question is what to do about it. The obvious answers are not pleasant.

There are strong Constitutional arguments for reversing many of the vote counts in significant numbers. We may yet see the effect of the preceding Progressive-Democrat administration having left so many empty judicial seats for Trump and McConnell to fill with originalist judges and Justices.

If that plays out (and it's not at all a done deal; although we're already seeing some results from that in a number of other cases), it would be especially delicious.

Eric Hines

douglas said...

Came across what seems like too obvious a theory to ignore on the white men support dropping for Trump- Especially given the complete dumpster fire of the polls- white male Trump supporters simply didn't respond to the pollsters, or admit their positions truthfully. Seems believable.