The chief police witness in Parliament testified that on the night of the attacks, an investigating officer, tears streaming down his face, rushed out of the Bataclan and vomited in front of him just after seeing the disfigured bodies.At some point, we're going to have to start being honest with ourselves about what we're facing.
The 14-hour testimony about the November attacks took place March 21st.
According to this testimony, Wahhabist killers reportedly gouged out eyes, castrated victims, and shoved their testicles in their mouths. They may also have disemboweled some poor souls. Women were reportedly stabbed in the genitals – and the torture was, victims told police, filmed for Daesh or Islamic State propaganda.
November Paris Attack Tortured Victims for ISIS Propaganda
The French government has suppressed the story until now.
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And to actually deal with the problem, to *solve* the problem, one would essentially have to wage what would essentially be a colonial war, and then stay there and actually run the place. For generations.
And I'm not just talking Syria. You'd have to deal with Iraq, Lebanon, and probably do something about the Saudis, Iranians and Pakistanis too.
I think the Bush administration tried this in Iraq, as a spoiler against everything else, but the Obama administration didn't follow through.
Or switched sides. Take your pick.
The latter, I think.
Stripping the problem population of citizenship and residency rights, then deporting them, would go a long way toward preventing this in the West, but that is pretty much impossible, and there would be a lot of injustice in that as well.
There are a couple of links on the sidebar called "Justice & the Law." How do you think those principles apply to the present question?
If justice is getting what one deserves, the blanket deportation would be what some deserve but not others. However, we cannot know which deserve it, so inevitably some would be unjust.
That said, I don't think we have as strong an obligation to non-citizens as we do to citizens. They are guests, and although I think we should try to be fair, it is only right that we not be forced to host guests we no longer want among us.
In the broader question, we could follow your suggestion and leave punishment to the families of those tortured and slain, though maybe with some upper and lower limits. Some punishment should be given, but not so much that it seems unjust given the crimes committed.
RE: And to actually deal with the problem, to *solve* the problem, one would essentially have to wage what would essentially be a colonial war, and then stay there and actually run the place. For generations.
There is a much more direct, and far faster alternative. Many of these "individual alternatives" are approaching their shelf-life anyway, so what the hell? A mere twenty minutes of light-and-sound-show-fantastic would go a long way towards reducing the threat posed by this region, and the region itself. :)
- Krag
Not so much switched sides as hijacked the US for the Leftist alliance, which also included their Jihad allies.
Hussein was always on the side of evil, since a long time ago. The Leftist alliance's hijack ability is higher than even 9/11 terrorists or any terrorists.
Islam understands the nuclear sword of Damocles the West holds over them, which is why they use the time that the West hesitates, to hijack the West. Once the West falls, the US and European nukes will be in the hands of Islam. And then Islam will decide when "twenty minutes of light and sound show fantastic" will happen. That is Strategic End game, so to speak, although not on the religious side.
No matter how good your tactics are in war, a superior kami level strategy will overturn it. Just as the US winning all the battles in Vietnam resulted in a defeat at the strategic level.
According to this testimony, Wahhabist killers reportedly gouged out eyes, castrated victims, and shoved their testicles in their mouths. They may also have disemboweled some poor souls. Women were reportedly stabbed in the genitals – and the torture was, victims told police, filmed for Daesh or Islamic State propaganda.
They are children in the fun house, compared to my preparations and training. All they are doing is making it easier for a cadre to start training other people in the West. Sure, that propaganda may gear up Jihad support, frighten moderate Muslims, and cow the weaklings in the West. But the Western civilization was born and forged in the fires of Viking raids and Islamic Jihad slave raids. Apparently, the genetics also guarantee that there will be some who can fight back, if only somebody (like in the US) can teach them how.
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