It’s par for the course these days, as contemporary left-leaning media continue to play out their Vietnam-redux fantasy. They even mention Vietnam, while quoting only servicemen who describe the battle as a source of shame and moral concern.
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Seriously: Why does anyone fight for this country? It's really eating at me: Why did we do it? Why *ever* place yourself under orders, much less the orders of these evil, lying, corrupt sociopaths, on behalf of a callous nation that will spit on you for your sacrifice? People who will tell themselves any tale that amuses them to belittle and dehumanize you.
Honorable men have been dishonorably discharged. This fucking regime was consecrated with the blood of an innocent woman who risked her life for this ungrateful nation.
I will always fight for my nation. Nor is it a matter of fighting for those "sociopaths," nor is it a matter of fighting on behalf of a callous nation.
They aren't the nation; they just live here, same as you and me, and our nation isn't...callous...just some--too many--folks living in it are. Our nation is a kind and generous one, and it's a culture centered on a set of ideals bounded by physical borders--and that culture, those ideals, the nation that's centered on them, those are well worth defending.
I must fight, too, and so must others of us: we'll lose our nation only if we quit the fight, only if we meekly surrender our nation. Our nation is ours to lose, not theirs to win.
And I'm not afraid to sign my name to that, unlike Seriously, who also, it seems, has already surrendered.
The country is not the leadership currently in place. The country is a lot more - home, family, friends, faith. . . It has flaws, but the country is most certainly worth fighting for.
To some degree you and our anonymous commenter are talking past each other. (House rules reminder: anonymous comments are allowed, but must be signed with some kind of persistent pen name like LittleRed1 just did. This is so we can tell each other apart and not have five anonymous commenters going at once.) "I will fight for my country instead of giving it up" is not the same sense of 'why would you fight for this country' being raised in the original comment.
I would probably not advise a young person to join the military today, whereas for most of my life the opposite has been true. I think this is what he or she is getting at with the 'why would you place yourself under orders?' The regime hates you, despises you, views you as its enemy, and is supported by a mass media that feels the same way about you also.
At this point people who volunteered for patriotic reasons are being dishonorably discharged, which will strip them of several civil rights including the right to keep and bear arms. There is a real sense in which the government has turned against the people, at least that subset of the population that is critical of the ruling class and regime.
Now that said, the battle of Fallujah under discussion was more than a decade ago. At that time I was highly supportive of American efforts in Iraq, and indeed went there myself for a long time. At that time, too, Americans were usually very supportive of the military; it was only losers like CNN who were so regularly running down our servicemembers. It wasn't the President, not in those days.
I would probably not advise a young person to join the military today....
I certainly would, including my grandchildren when they're old enough. The enemy is at the top and without; the solution is within and from the bottom up. Including our military.
It is the classic Marxist move to accuse the US military of immoral behavior when it is they who are immoral. I am reminded of how the women who screamed "BABY KILLER" at me in 1970 are now the most likely the most aggressive supporters of abortion up to the 10th month! There is no end to their hypocrisy.
By the way, I find it ironic that the woman cited in the article is wearing a CAMO PATTERENED sweater as she criticizes the video depicting the operation that in all probability provided her the pathway to Marietta, GA.
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Seriously: Why does anyone fight for this country? It's really eating at me: Why did we do it? Why *ever* place yourself under orders, much less the orders of these evil, lying, corrupt sociopaths, on behalf of a callous nation that will spit on you for your sacrifice? People who will tell themselves any tale that amuses them to belittle and dehumanize you.
Honorable men have been dishonorably discharged. This fucking regime was consecrated with the blood of an innocent woman who risked her life for this ungrateful nation.
I will always fight for my nation. Nor is it a matter of fighting for those "sociopaths," nor is it a matter of fighting on behalf of a callous nation.
They aren't the nation; they just live here, same as you and me, and our nation isn't...callous...just some--too many--folks living in it are. Our nation is a kind and generous one, and it's a culture centered on a set of ideals bounded by physical borders--and that culture, those ideals, the nation that's centered on them, those are well worth defending.
I must fight, too, and so must others of us: we'll lose our nation only if we quit the fight, only if we meekly surrender our nation. Our nation is ours to lose, not theirs to win.
And I'm not afraid to sign my name to that, unlike Seriously, who also, it seems, has already surrendered.
Eric Hines
The country is not the leadership currently in place. The country is a lot more - home, family, friends, faith. . . It has flaws, but the country is most certainly worth fighting for.
LittleRed1
To some degree you and our anonymous commenter are talking past each other. (House rules reminder: anonymous comments are allowed, but must be signed with some kind of persistent pen name like LittleRed1 just did. This is so we can tell each other apart and not have five anonymous commenters going at once.) "I will fight for my country instead of giving it up" is not the same sense of 'why would you fight for this country' being raised in the original comment.
I would probably not advise a young person to join the military today, whereas for most of my life the opposite has been true. I think this is what he or she is getting at with the 'why would you place yourself under orders?' The regime hates you, despises you, views you as its enemy, and is supported by a mass media that feels the same way about you also.
At this point people who volunteered for patriotic reasons are being dishonorably discharged, which will strip them of several civil rights including the right to keep and bear arms. There is a real sense in which the government has turned against the people, at least that subset of the population that is critical of the ruling class and regime.
Now that said, the battle of Fallujah under discussion was more than a decade ago. At that time I was highly supportive of American efforts in Iraq, and indeed went there myself for a long time. At that time, too, Americans were usually very supportive of the military; it was only losers like CNN who were so regularly running down our servicemembers. It wasn't the President, not in those days.
The question is not, will one fight for his country.
The question is, who is the enemy of his country.
I would probably not advise a young person to join the military today....
I certainly would, including my grandchildren when they're old enough. The enemy is at the top and without; the solution is within and from the bottom up. Including our military.
Eric Hines
It is the classic Marxist move to accuse the US military of immoral behavior when it is they who are immoral. I am reminded of how the women who screamed "BABY KILLER" at me in 1970 are now the most likely the most aggressive supporters of abortion up to the 10th month! There is no end to their hypocrisy.
By the way, I find it ironic that the woman cited in the article is wearing a CAMO PATTERENED sweater as she criticizes the video depicting the operation that in all probability provided her the pathway to Marietta, GA.
SH
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