The Ghost of Andrew Jackson might disagree that Democrats can’t be Christians (or for that matter, the ghost of Zell Miller). You can take it up with him when you see him.
They do this “takfiri” thing in radical Islam. I’m not interested in it. God is the only fit judge of who qualifies, although in the Catholic Church one’s excommunication is sometimes recognized by human authorities. Lately, however, some of those authorities are looking pretty suspect themselves. I shall leave all these judgments to the one to whom they rightly belong.
The Ghost of Andrew Jackson might disagree that Democrats can’t be Christians....
Jackson's Democrats are not today's Democrats. Today's are the actualization of the modern Progressive Movement founded by Herb Croly, Theodore Roosevelt, and Woodrow Wilson (functionally, if not formally); they're the Progressive-Democratic Party. They're just hiding behind the older name.
Grim wants Restoration of a traditional practice, well lets start with a traditional bible study - Greg
Epistle of St Paul to the Romans Chapter 1 [1] Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, [2] Which he had promised before, by his prophets, in the holy scriptures, [3] Concerning his Son, who was made to him of the seed of David, according to the flesh, [4] Who was predestinated the Son of God in power, according to the spirit of sanctification, by the resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ from the dead; [5] By whom we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith, in all nations, for his name; [4] "Predestinated": Christ as man, was predestinated to be the Son of God: and declared to be so (as the apostle here signifies) first, by power, that is, by his working stupendous miracles; secondly, by the spirit of sanctification, that is, by his infinite sanctity; thirdly, by his resurrection, or raising himself from the dead. [6] Among whom are you also the called of Jesus Christ: [7] To all that are at Rome, the beloved of God, called to be saints. Grace to you, and peace from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. [8] First I give thanks to my God, through Jesus Christ, for you all, because your faith is spoken of in the whole world. [9] For God is my witness, whom I serve in my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make a commemoration of you; [10] Always in my prayers making request, if by any means now at length I may have a prosperous journey, by the will of God, to come unto you. [11] For I long to see you, that I may impart unto you some spiritual grace, to strengthen you: [12] That is to say, that I may be comforted together in you, by that which is common to us both, your faith and mine. [13] And I would not have you ignorant, brethren, that I have often purposed to come unto you, (and have been hindered hitherto,) that I might have some fruit among you also, even as among other Gentiles. [14] To the Greeks and to the barbarians, to the wise and to the unwise, I am a debtor; [15] So (as much as is in me) I am ready to preach the gospel to you also that are at Rome. [16] For I am not ashamed of the gospel. For it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth, to the Jew first, and to the Greek. [17] For the justice of God is revealed therein, from faith unto faith, as it is written: The just man liveth by faith. [18] For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and injustice of those men that detain the truth of God in injustice: [19] Because that which is known of God is manifest in them. For God hath manifested it unto them. [20] For the invisible things of him, from the creation of the world, are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made; his eternal power also, and divinity: so that they are inexcusable. [21] Because that, when they knew God, they have not glorified him as God, or given thanks; but became vain in their thoughts, and their foolish heart was darkened. [22] For professing themselves to be wise, they became fools. [23] And they changed the glory of the incorruptible God into the likeness of the image of a corruptible man, and of birds, and of fourfooted beasts, and of creeping things. [24] Wherefore God gave them up to the desires of their heart, unto uncleanness, to dishonour their own bodies among themselves. [25] Who changed the truth of God into a lie; and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. ( Continued)
[26] For this cause God delivered them up to shameful affections. For their women have changed the natural use into that use which is against nature. [27] And, in like manner, the men also, leaving the natural use of the women, have burned in their lusts one towards another, men with men working that which is filthy, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was due to their error. [28] And as they liked not to have God in their knowledge, God delivered them up to a reprobate sense, to do those things which are not convenient; [29] Being filled with all iniquity, malice, fornication, avarice, wickedness, full of envy, murder, contention, deceit, malignity, whisperers, [30] Detractors, hateful to God, contumelious, proud, haughty, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, ---------------------------------------------- [26] "God delivered them up": Not by being author of their sins, but by withdrawing his grace, and so permitting them, in punishment of their pride, to fall into those shameful sins. ---------------------------------------------- [31] Foolish, dissolute, without affection, without fidelity, without mercy. [32] Who, having known the justice of God, did not understand that they who do such things, are worthy of death; and not only they that do them, but they also that consent to them that do them.
Did you all read the above passage ? Yes ? Good Okay, Now lets do the ROMANS 1:18 - 1:32 BIBLE STUDY Speaker: Fr. Al Lauer MP3 Length: 14:06 ....Listen to the WHOLE thing….
Lets not forget that all of the child murder involved in the bringing covid injections to market.......
The brutal reality of the origin of vaccines: Ripping apart living pre-born babies..... In this episode of The John-Henry Westen Show, I will unearth the horrifying and brutal truth behind fetal cell lines in vaccines.....( 26 miniute Video)
“A PERSON who is wholly incapable of anger lacks something; he is in some way defective. As we have seen, there is such a thing as just and lawful anger. Were a person unable to resent evil, he would be deficient in the use of lawful anger.”
Yes, Aquinas is there motivated by Aristotle who said substantially the same thing. But notice the difference between “I am angry about the practice of abortion because it necessarily entails the intentional killing of an innocent human being,” which is an exercise of natural reason; versus “Everyone who supports the Democratic Party is expelled from God’s true religion and shall burn in hellfire,” which is a supernatural judgment explicitly reserved to God in scripture (‘Vengeance is mine’), and one that scripture also explicitly cautions us as individuals not to make (‘Judge not lest ye be judged’).
You know, that's actually a very dense a tricky passage, with a lot of Aristotelean "in a way/in another way" and "contains contraries" and such. The argument about justice to one's own strikes me as very poorly reasoned by Aristotle himself, and even there you get a 'this justice is not the same as that justice, but it is like it.' If you want to go through it at length we could tackle it next week over a few days.
It's amazing enough a bill like this is being proposed in a state in America. But two at the same time? A *very* similar bill is being proposed in California too- https://www.californiafamily.org/2022/03/assembly-judiciary-committee-to-vote-on-infanticide-bill/
@ douglas - I would suspect coordination, and perhaps not even with hope of complete victory, but with an eye to moving the debate point, so that abortions even at full-term are secure.
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You can't be a Democrat and a Christian.
The early church and abortion
A layman reads The Ante Nicene Fathers from 2009
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/popp/091020
and yes this article applies universally to all Christians or you can not honestly call yourself a Christian.
Greg
The Ghost of Andrew Jackson might disagree that Democrats can’t be Christians (or for that matter, the ghost of Zell Miller). You can take it up with him when you see him.
They do this “takfiri” thing in radical Islam. I’m not interested in it. God is the only fit judge of who qualifies, although in the Catholic Church one’s excommunication is sometimes recognized by human authorities. Lately, however, some of those authorities are looking pretty suspect themselves. I shall leave all these judgments to the one to whom they rightly belong.
The Ghost of Andrew Jackson might disagree that Democrats can’t be Christians....
Jackson's Democrats are not today's Democrats. Today's are the actualization of the modern Progressive Movement founded by Herb Croly, Theodore Roosevelt, and Woodrow Wilson (functionally, if not formally); they're the Progressive-Democratic Party. They're just hiding behind the older name.
Eric Hines
Grim wants Restoration of a traditional practice, well lets start with a traditional bible study - Greg
Epistle of St Paul to the Romans
Chapter 1
[1] Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, [2] Which he had promised before, by his prophets, in the holy scriptures, [3] Concerning his Son, who was made to him of the seed of David, according to the flesh, [4] Who was predestinated the Son of God in power, according to the spirit of sanctification, by the resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ from the dead; [5] By whom we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith, in all nations, for his name;
[4] "Predestinated": Christ as man, was predestinated to be the Son of God: and declared to be so (as the apostle here signifies) first, by power, that is, by his working stupendous miracles; secondly, by the spirit of sanctification, that is, by his infinite sanctity; thirdly, by his resurrection, or raising himself from the dead.
[6] Among whom are you also the called of Jesus Christ: [7] To all that are at Rome, the beloved of God, called to be saints. Grace to you, and peace from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. [8] First I give thanks to my God, through Jesus Christ, for you all, because your faith is spoken of in the whole world. [9] For God is my witness, whom I serve in my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make a commemoration of you; [10] Always in my prayers making request, if by any means now at length I may have a prosperous journey, by the will of God, to come unto you.
[11] For I long to see you, that I may impart unto you some spiritual grace, to strengthen you: [12] That is to say, that I may be comforted together in you, by that which is common to us both, your faith and mine. [13] And I would not have you ignorant, brethren, that I have often purposed to come unto you, (and have been hindered hitherto,) that I might have some fruit among you also, even as among other Gentiles. [14] To the Greeks and to the barbarians, to the wise and to the unwise, I am a debtor; [15] So (as much as is in me) I am ready to preach the gospel to you also that are at Rome.
[16] For I am not ashamed of the gospel. For it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth, to the Jew first, and to the Greek. [17] For the justice of God is revealed therein, from faith unto faith, as it is written: The just man liveth by faith. [18] For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and injustice of those men that detain the truth of God in injustice: [19] Because that which is known of God is manifest in them. For God hath manifested it unto them. [20] For the invisible things of him, from the creation of the world, are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made; his eternal power also, and divinity: so that they are inexcusable.
[21] Because that, when they knew God, they have not glorified him as God, or given thanks; but became vain in their thoughts, and their foolish heart was darkened. [22] For professing themselves to be wise, they became fools. [23] And they changed the glory of the incorruptible God into the likeness of the image of a corruptible man, and of birds, and of fourfooted beasts, and of creeping things. [24] Wherefore God gave them up to the desires of their heart, unto uncleanness, to dishonour their own bodies among themselves. [25] Who changed the truth of God into a lie; and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. ( Continued)
[26] For this cause God delivered them up to shameful affections. For their women have changed the natural use into that use which is against nature. [27] And, in like manner, the men also, leaving the natural use of the women, have burned in their lusts one towards another, men with men working that which is filthy, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was due to their error. [28] And as they liked not to have God in their knowledge, God delivered them up to a reprobate sense, to do those things which are not convenient; [29] Being filled with all iniquity, malice, fornication, avarice, wickedness, full of envy, murder, contention, deceit, malignity, whisperers, [30] Detractors, hateful to God, contumelious, proud, haughty, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
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[26] "God delivered them up": Not by being author of their sins, but by withdrawing his grace, and so permitting them, in punishment of their pride, to fall into those shameful sins.
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[31] Foolish, dissolute, without affection, without fidelity, without mercy. [32] Who, having known the justice of God, did not understand that they who do such things, are worthy of death; and not only they that do them, but they also that consent to them that do them.
Did you all read the above passage ?
Yes ? Good Okay, Now lets do the
ROMANS 1:18 - 1:32 BIBLE STUDY
Speaker: Fr. Al Lauer
MP3 Length: 14:06 ....Listen to the WHOLE thing….
https://www.presentationministries.com/series/audio/track-romans-118---132-bible-study2112#
Grim's Linked article deals with "exposure"
Lets not forget that all of the child murder involved in the bringing covid injections to market.......
The brutal reality of the origin of vaccines: Ripping apart living pre-born babies..... In this episode of The John-Henry Westen Show, I will unearth the horrifying and brutal truth behind fetal cell lines in vaccines.....( 26 miniute Video)
https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/proof-the-covid-vaccine-is-linked-to-the-crimes-of-abortion-and-organ-harvesting/
Greg
Just Anger
“A PERSON who is wholly incapable of anger lacks something; he is in some way defective. As we have seen, there is such a thing as just and lawful anger. Were a person unable to resent evil, he would be deficient in the use of lawful anger.”
— St. Thomas Aquinas
Yes, Aquinas is there motivated by Aristotle who said substantially the same thing. But notice the difference between “I am angry about the practice of abortion because it necessarily entails the intentional killing of an innocent human being,” which is an exercise of natural reason; versus “Everyone who supports the Democratic Party is expelled from God’s true religion and shall burn in hellfire,” which is a supernatural judgment explicitly reserved to God in scripture (‘Vengeance is mine’), and one that scripture also explicitly cautions us as individuals not to make (‘Judge not lest ye be judged’).
This is question 46 of the ST’s second part of the first part. It’s worth reading in full especially if you want to argue from it.
https://www.newadvent.org/summa/2046.htm
You know, that's actually a very dense a tricky passage, with a lot of Aristotelean "in a way/in another way" and "contains contraries" and such. The argument about justice to one's own strikes me as very poorly reasoned by Aristotle himself, and even there you get a 'this justice is not the same as that justice, but it is like it.' If you want to go through it at length we could tackle it next week over a few days.
It's amazing enough a bill like this is being proposed in a state in America.
But two at the same time? A *very* similar bill is being proposed in California too-
https://www.californiafamily.org/2022/03/assembly-judiciary-committee-to-vote-on-infanticide-bill/
What in tarnation is going on around here?
@ douglas - I would suspect coordination, and perhaps not even with hope of complete victory, but with an eye to moving the debate point, so that abortions even at full-term are secure.
And then of course there’s this....,,,
FBI Arrests My Friends After Discovering They Found Full-Term Murdered Babies
https://padreperegrino.org/2022/04/fbi-arrests-my-friends-after-finding-they-intercepted-very-large-murdered-babies/
Greg
The FBI is definitely on the wrong side.
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