The article at the link that's being censored isn't the speech, but an article about censoring the speech by Israel's election commission.
The article, by the way, is available via a cludgy procedure here, as I write this comment. The cludge is this: the article's intro appears on the Facebook page. Click on the link, and as soon as the article appears, use your browser's facility to stop the download (in Firefox, it's a right click and then a left click on the 'X' that appears in the popup). If done with fortuitous timing, the download can be stopped before it gets to the commission's reroute command.
It's important that you not right-click on the Facebook intro to bring the article up in a new tab; that doesn't appear to leave enough time to interrupt the download. Just click on the intro.
Well, I had a comment about that, including a way to view the article, but it's gone now. I have no idea how that works. I posted my comment, confirmed the comment count increment, posted my article about the censored article on my blog, came back here, and the comment count had decremented and my comment was gone.
Censorship isn't Grim's style; the removal didn't come from him.
The article, though, is viewable at my blog. Unless and until that gets hacked, too....
Huh. You're right, I don't censor much of anything -- usually just anonymous personal attacks on members of the Hall, which violate the comments policy. I can't imagine you'd have said anything like that, and you'd have put your name to it anyway.
Shall I try again? It's your blog, and I've no interest in causing unnecessary trouble. You don't shy away from trouble, but some fights aren't worth the picking, and some risks not worth the running.
Anonymous personal attacks on members of the Hall? Sounds like fun!
I am stepping back from this controversy a bit and reconsidering. I root for Netanyahu because I think he will tell Obama and Congress what they need to hear. But let's not lose sight of the fact that this is a foreign head of state. We excoriated Gore and Kerry for things they said abroad, and by the same principle, should be a touch reserved about what foreigners say to us us here and how we treat it.
Netanyahu went to high school, college, and grad school here - he was buddies with an old pal of mine at MIT - but that isn't everything. Bin Laden went to school here too, and we don't give him any props for that.
Fair enough. I'm just amused that Israel thinks it can censor his speech. Maybe China could -- they've put a lot of infrastructure into it -- but all you have to do is go to an American news site and you can see the whole thing.
Yeah, but what's being censored here is not (yet) his speech, but a Reuters article about that pending censorship.
Here's another try on my original comment, which centered on a cludgy way to read the article. Facebook has the intro and a lede image of Netanyahu here.
Click on that (don't right click to bring it up in a different tab or window; that appears to defeat the cludge). As soon as the article appears, use your browser's Stop Download facility to stop the article from downloading. With Firefox, that's a right click in white space beside the article, and clicking the 'X' at the top right of the resulting dialog popup. You have to be pretty quick about the Stop Download move.
When a browser downloads an article (image, whatever), it sends a command to the server hosting the article to "send me (a piece of) what you got." On receipt, the browser sends another "send me" command, and repeats these until the server sends a "that's all" command. What seems to be happening is that the Israeli Election Commission is inserting into that stream of command exchanges a reroute command that takes your browser to a cdn.teads.tv (whoever they are--maybe they're headquartered in France) blank page. What you're doing with the Stop Download trick is halting your browser/server command exchange, and stopping further download altogether, before the Election Commission's reroute command arrives.
Interesting that it showed up and then went away, rather than being blocked from the jump.
In any event, thanks.
Sorry, AVI, no personal attacks. Not this time. [g]
Regarding your other point, I root for Netanyahu because I think he will tell Obama and Congress what they need to hear. But let's not lose sight of the fact that this is a foreign head of state. We excoriated Gore and Kerry for things they said abroad, and by the same principle, should be a touch reserved about what foreigners say to us us here and how we treat it.
As I recall, we excoriated Kerry and Gore for going abroad to sabotage government policy. To the extent that's what Netanyahu's doing, that's for the Israeli government and people to concern themselves with. Today we excoriate Kerry and Gore when they speak abroad for being...Kerry and Gore.
As to Netanyahu coming here to speak, he has some measure of expertise on the Middle East, and the Congress should hear his expertise as it considers spending questions related to the Middle East. And yes, it's just part of what Congress should hear, and they should be a touch reserved. But hear it they should. What's of greater interest here, at least to me, is Obama's and his proxies' efforts to censor what Congress hears.
It's hard to imagine that anyone in Israel who's interested in seeing Netanyahu's entire speech will have any trouble doing so. I think the days are gone when censoring something on TV would be effective.
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The article at the link that's being censored isn't the speech, but an article about censoring the speech by Israel's election commission.
The article, by the way, is available via a cludgy procedure here, as I write this comment. The cludge is this: the article's intro appears on the Facebook page. Click on the link, and as soon as the article appears, use your browser's facility to stop the download (in Firefox, it's a right click and then a left click on the 'X' that appears in the popup). If done with fortuitous timing, the download can be stopped before it gets to the commission's reroute command.
It's important that you not right-click on the Facebook intro to bring the article up in a new tab; that doesn't appear to leave enough time to interrupt the download. Just click on the intro.
The article will be going up on my blog shortly.
What Grim's title said.
Eric Hines
Well, I had a comment about that, including a way to view the article, but it's gone now. I have no idea how that works. I posted my comment, confirmed the comment count increment, posted my article about the censored article on my blog, came back here, and the comment count had decremented and my comment was gone.
Censorship isn't Grim's style; the removal didn't come from him.
The article, though, is viewable at my blog. Unless and until that gets hacked, too....
Eric Hines
Huh. You're right, I don't censor much of anything -- usually just anonymous personal attacks on members of the Hall, which violate the comments policy. I can't imagine you'd have said anything like that, and you'd have put your name to it anyway.
Shall I try again? It's your blog, and I've no interest in causing unnecessary trouble. You don't shy away from trouble, but some fights aren't worth the picking, and some risks not worth the running.
Eric Hines
You can do what you want. I gave you a set of keys long ago.
Anonymous personal attacks on members of the Hall? Sounds like fun!
I am stepping back from this controversy a bit and reconsidering. I root for Netanyahu because I think he will tell Obama and Congress what they need to hear. But let's not lose sight of the fact that this is a foreign head of state. We excoriated Gore and Kerry for things they said abroad, and by the same principle, should be a touch reserved about what foreigners say to us us here and how we treat it.
Netanyahu went to high school, college, and grad school here - he was buddies with an old pal of mine at MIT - but that isn't everything. Bin Laden went to school here too, and we don't give him any props for that.
Fair enough. I'm just amused that Israel thinks it can censor his speech. Maybe China could -- they've put a lot of infrastructure into it -- but all you have to do is go to an American news site and you can see the whole thing.
Yeah, but what's being censored here is not (yet) his speech, but a Reuters article about that pending censorship.
Here's another try on my original comment, which centered on a cludgy way to read the article. Facebook has the intro and a lede image of Netanyahu here.
Click on that (don't right click to bring it up in a different tab or window; that appears to defeat the cludge). As soon as the article appears, use your browser's Stop Download facility to stop the article from downloading. With Firefox, that's a right click in white space beside the article, and clicking the 'X' at the top right of the resulting dialog popup. You have to be pretty quick about the Stop Download move.
When a browser downloads an article (image, whatever), it sends a command to the server hosting the article to "send me (a piece of) what you got." On receipt, the browser sends another "send me" command, and repeats these until the server sends a "that's all" command. What seems to be happening is that the Israeli Election Commission is inserting into that stream of command exchanges a reroute command that takes your browser to a cdn.teads.tv (whoever they are--maybe they're headquartered in France) blank page. What you're doing with the Stop Download trick is halting your browser/server command exchange, and stopping further download altogether, before the Election Commission's reroute command arrives.
Eric Hines
Well, I tried again, and it's gone again.
I have to wonder whether Google is behind this. They've been know to surrender to foreign censorship before.
Eric Hines
Mr. Hines:
I checked the spam folder, and it had been routed into there (possibly because of multiple links, possibly because of keywords).
I've marked it "not spam," so hopefully this time it will stick around.
Interesting that it showed up and then went away, rather than being blocked from the jump.
In any event, thanks.
Sorry, AVI, no personal attacks. Not this time. [g]
Regarding your other point, I root for Netanyahu because I think he will tell Obama and Congress what they need to hear. But let's not lose sight of the fact that this is a foreign head of state. We excoriated Gore and Kerry for things they said abroad, and by the same principle, should be a touch reserved about what foreigners say to us us here and how we treat it.
As I recall, we excoriated Kerry and Gore for going abroad to sabotage government policy. To the extent that's what Netanyahu's doing, that's for the Israeli government and people to concern themselves with. Today we excoriate Kerry and Gore when they speak abroad for being...Kerry and Gore.
As to Netanyahu coming here to speak, he has some measure of expertise on the Middle East, and the Congress should hear his expertise as it considers spending questions related to the Middle East. And yes, it's just part of what Congress should hear, and they should be a touch reserved. But hear it they should. What's of greater interest here, at least to me, is Obama's and his proxies' efforts to censor what Congress hears.
Eric Hines
It's hard to imagine that anyone in Israel who's interested in seeing Netanyahu's entire speech will have any trouble doing so. I think the days are gone when censoring something on TV would be effective.
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