Honne and Tatemae

Edward Luttwak, who describes himself as "historian and rancher," rather famously the former, offers an historical parallel to the present difficulties. I will not refer to the political issues of the day other than to note that this is what he is really talking about, but will explore his historical parallel in light of a Japanese (and Chinese) moral standard that Americans usually reject as a moral duty. 









The advantage of turning to the historical example is that the facts are clear. JFK used the Chicago machine, as well as fraud in Texas, to elevate himself to the Presidency. Nixon refused legal remedies, but accepted the result in what Luttwak describes as a patriotic spirit. 

One might ask whether patriotism can really require one to accept being cheated, or what to make of a government whose stability depends upon one side periodically refusing to mention that the other side cheats. On the other hand, this was during a dark period of the Cold War, when accepting being cheated may well have seemed preferable to weakening the United States government in the face of the USSR. JFK was a veteran and a patriot in his way; however corrupt, Nixon (himself not completely lacking in corruption) could reason that he wouldn't hand things over to the Communists.

The Japanese concept at work here is one called Tatemae and Honne, or, 'the façade' and 'the true sound.' There is a parallel concept in China, in which one is expected to maintain an outward façade of happiness and pleasure whatever one feels inside. This is considered an important moral duty to others, because it maintains their happiness and social harmony. It is considered very rude to be honest in ways that are upsetting to others, even if your feelings are grounded on true facts.

I have long thought that an important reason the American system does not (yet) admit of Chinese-style tyranny is that we generally reject this as a duty. We might suggest something like it for Thanksgiving, when people of all political opinions are at the table; but it is less about pretending that the divisions don't exist than about not raising them for a while. 

Likewise, I have suggested in this space that people who are disagreeable in the psychological sense serve a very important social purpose too: they are the ones who will point out when there is a problem everyone else might like to ignore, just because it is more comfortable and agreeable not to mention it. This can permit progress when otherwise progress might never occur. 
The more formal the meeting or the more public the situation, the more codified it will be and the more the tatemae will be displayed and the honne pushed down and repressed. Public and private are separated so ruthlessly in Japanese society that one rarely mixes with the other: sharing your recent family issues with your colleagues is as unthinkable as your wife coming to visit you at work. Should you decide to burden everyone with your worries and negative emotions, you would drop in the esteem of all Japanese around you for disturbing the positive effects of the tatemae.

For although it may take a hard toll on the individual, forbidden from speaking out his distress for fear of troubling his listener, it does create a harmonious atmosphere as all do their best to be cordial and outwardly friendly.
Taking on a burden to protect others is honorable, and doubtless this seems like a way of maintaining honor to the Japanese. Luttwak thinks it was patriotic to pretend in this way, and to avoid making a scene. Returning America to a harmonious atmosphere might be as simple as going along with the façade. Certainly everyone would be happier if we had a more harmonious nation, would they not?

I'm raising the issue for discussion, not to declare judgment on it. My own positions are well known and established, but it's worth talking over -- again, in the historical context rather than the present one, and as a question about whether this is indeed properly entailed in one's moral duties.

15 comments:

james said...

Harmony may have its limitations:
"The world cannot hate you, but it hates Me because I testify about it, that its deeds are evil."

E Hines said...

Without going into the main thesis of OP, I have this: The advantage of turning to the historical example is that the facts are clear.

Except when they're not. History is always being rewritten, for good reason and nefarious. Current history is actively being deleted--that's what deleting Facebook posts or Twitter tweets is. Nothing else but the censorship of erasing disapproved facts of history.

Eric Hines

Grim said...

Mr. Hines:

OK, fine, but we can take it as read for the purposes of this discussion. So what do you think about that?

James:

Good point.

Elise said...

It seems to me that an important phrase here is "as all do their best to be cordial and outwardly friendly". The system only works so long as everyone follows the ideal of tatemae. If some follow it and some do not and those who do not are no longer punished by falling in esteem, then the system breaks down in some way.

Perhaps everyone refuses to follow the ideal of tatemae. Or perhaps, if some are able to refuse to follow it without suffering while others are not, those who are not become more and more resentful and more and more alienated from the larger society.

raven said...

What series of events did that capitulation of Nixon bring to us?
Maybe we should ask one of the 50 thousand dead laying in the paddies and Arlington what they think about putting on the happy patriotic face and avoiding confrontation of fraud.
And what lesson did it teach the cheaters?
Elections have consequences.
Shall we smile at the home invader?
Offer sweets to the rapist?
Tolerate the thief?
What will this fraud bring us for consequences?

Tolerance is starting to look like idiocy with a mask on.

Anonymous said...

What is the end benefit of outward social harmony? If it is fooling the enemy into thinking that a country is strong and unified, then I can understand "going along to get along" so to speak. If it is just so that one group can claim power by fraud for purposes that include weakening the country (something members of that group claim is a good and just thing), then outward social harmony strikes me as the greater of the evils.

There is a duty to limit needless social pain to others, perhaps. But that is for the individual or small group to decide, voluntarily.

LittleRed1

E Hines said...

Regarding Tatemae and Honne: It is considered very rude to be honest in ways that are upsetting to others, even if your feelings are grounded on true facts.

It is, in fact, often illegal to be honest in Canada when the truth might be upsetting. And we're seeing the outcome of that foolishness.

Luttwak thinks it was patriotic to pretend in this way, and to avoid making a scene. Returning America to a harmonious atmosphere might be as simple as going along with the façade.

This isn't even close to patriotism. It can't be, since lying--the pretense--cannot be patriotic. More, it's dangerous: it hides the dissidence and dissidents until they explode.

Beyond that, even the facade takes both sides' participation, and the Progressive-Democrats' divisiveness has gotten even more overt from Biden's campaign, increasing further with Biden's post-assault rhetoric and that of Harris, Pelosi, and Schumer. There's no reconciliation or even a pretense of one from that side.

And we also have Twitter and Facebook openly censoring speech and Apple considering doing the same with the entirety of Parler.

Certainly everyone would be happier if we had a more harmonious nation, would they not?

Not even close. The resulting cognitive dissidence underlies broad ranges of neuroses and some pathologies.

Eric Hines

E Hines said...

even more overt since the Obama reign's divisiveness from Biden's campaign

Eric Hines

Grim said...

And we also have Twitter and Facebook openly censoring speech...

Twitter is rather stupidly destroying its own intelligence network tonight.

David Foster said...

What if Kennedy's policy positions had been so bad and so destructive as to cast the future of the Republic into serious doubt? Would it still have been right for Nixon to concede?

Indeed, it seems likely that Kennedy's *actual* performance in office brought us very close to nuclear war in the Cuba matter: he had come across as weak in his first meeting with Khrushchev, who then perceived that he could get away with putting Soviet missiles in Cuba...to which then Kennedy arguably over-reacted, given that that ICBMs were very shortly going to make these missiles unnecessary anyhow. If it hadn't been for a couple of Soviet submarine officers keeping their heads in very difficult circumstances, it might well have been all over.

Perhaps Nixon wouldn't have done any better, but I doubt that K would have perceived him as weak in the way he did Kennedy.

Dad29 said...

The system only works so long as everyone follows the ideal...

I cut off 'tatemae' because your comment is 100% correct without it. Adams observed that the Constitution is fit only for 'moral and religious' men--and it is obvious that the leadership of Left half of the country does not fit his description.

Oh, there's ostensible "religious practice," and some vestige of morality in them (they probably pay their cab-fares), but in the main they are lying cheating scum. I do not absolve "right-side" leaders from any guilt, by the way, because many of them are gleeful members of the Deep State, too.

As to the main question here: the Master taught that 'the Truth will set you free,' and while one should deliver the truth as gently as possible, it cannot be hidden. YMMV on to whom and/or what truth--but I maintain that there is a moral obligation to make it known.

Grim said...

...Maybe we should ask one of the 50 thousand dead laying in the paddies and Arlington what they think about putting on the happy patriotic face and avoiding confrontation of fraud....

...Indeed, it seems likely that Kennedy's *actual* performance in office brought us very close to nuclear war in the Cuba matter: he had come across as weak...

It's ironic, really, that JFK ends up being the liberal icon and hero, and Nixon the very next thing to the Devil (well, worse than Reagan, but not as bad as Trump in their eyes). Yet the Vietnam war, which JFK got us into and Nixon got us out of, is also seen as the core and founding myth of liberal superiority and conservative menace.

douglas said...

America was founded on the idea that competition was good and that the place of politics was to act as the arena in which we played out our contentions, as to avoid playing them out in the streets.

Checks and balances weren't put there for "harmony" or cordiality.

Grim said...

That’s true; although the danger people raise is that being too contentious can lead to the political dispute erupting in the streets.

E Hines said...

Much, if not most, of what makes a political dispute too contentious is one side attempting to muzzle the other, either by ignoring the other and simply ramming through its own policies or by actively seeking to eliminate the other's voice.

Eric Hines