It does seem generally fair but I doubt it will do much good. He's probably correct on placing 'understanding' as a sort of mid-point between 'empathy' and 'agreement' but the people who are objecting to showing empathy for Trump voters seem to think they understand them well enough already.
Headline from the article: Empathy for Trump voters? No, thanks. Understanding? Yes.
As I see it empathy implies condescension. I would rather be understood than be condescended to. I would agree with your point:"It's a more fair-minded piece than the title, or the advice, would suggest."
.........There are individuals who are very good at figuring out how other people’s minds work but who lack any empathic connections; the suffering of others doesn’t bother them one bit.........
............Jettisoning empathy and working on understanding does not lead us to moral relativism; you can appreciate why something was done and still see it as mistaken or cruel. (We can do this even when we reflect our own actions.) Understanding doesn’t involve selling your soul. But knowing the minds of others is an achievement of huge pragmatic importance — among other things, it helps win elections............
He is pining for more left wing psychpaths
and lastly this statement shouted out to me
.........We do bad things reluctantly, because we are forced to, because we have ultimate good ends in mind........
Yuch, This is what I hate about Liberals, Why does the "ends" always justify the "Means" for the left?
Well, I listened to Scott Pruitts 18 miniute speach the other day and was impressed. I took it on your advise alone that it was worth it.......
I had the patience not only to read the linked article as well as listen to the 18 minute speech..... Can Scot Pruitt be considered a politician too?
ow, I like Steve Bannon a whole bunch. Not as much Reince Priebus . Bannon says Trump as president is doing what he says he was going to do while campaigning for office and he wants the trump administration to be accountable to everyone if he does not do what he says he is going to do.
at 10.08 in video Bannon Speaks about three verticles or buckets of Trumps work. 1. National Security and sovereinty 2 Economic Nationalism 3. Deconstruction of the administrative states 3. Deconstruction of the administrative state. - too many damned regulations
I beg your pardon. I'm in a somewhat black mood today. I don't typically listen to politicians talk, though -- I read the transcripts, which usually gets the point across much faster if they actually prove to have a point at all.
Bannon's a politician now, whatever he was before. He's got more intellectual heft than most, though, I'll give him that. He might have said something important.
It's hard to make any headway with a liberal of the sort who believes that he and his cohort empathize with the suffering, but no one else does. Especially if he believes that the most important thing is the subjective experience of empathy, and not any actual impact on real suffering. That kind of dope can persuade himself to enjoy hurting people actively because they deserve it, and fail to help others because he misunderstands what they need, while never doubting his own empathy.
The 'Do bad things reluctantly' line does grate but I chose to read it more as a gentle reminder to the liberals he's really adressing that we are all prone to justify the things we do as being right and necessary.
I still think he's on a fool's errand as liberals not inclined to empathy with conservatives have proven time and time again that they are quite certain they understand what motivates us.
I'm impressed that Americans who fear Israeli control of DC, now elevate politicians boosting for Israel, to the mercy seat. What's the propaganda line now, that DC is now the capital of Israel, instead of Tel Aviv and Chicago being the capital of the US...
Take a cue from psychopaths If you’re still not convinced of the distinction between understanding and empathy, consider the successful psychopath. There are individuals who are very good at figuring out how other people’s minds work but who lack any empathic connections; the suffering of others doesn’t bother them one bit.
That's amazing. I have also studied those individuals, I just call them Leftists.
The Left are doing quite well in promoting the psychological kill triggers needed to execute sub human trash and non human animal entities. Historically, it takes quite a bit of cultural contamination or indoctrination, to get millions of people to kill with their own hands. But the Aztecs knew the trick. And so did Alinsky, Lucifer, and the Left. Waco PD executed so many white people at Waco 2, that they could be piled up like cord wood.
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It does seem generally fair but I doubt it will do much good. He's probably correct on placing 'understanding' as a sort of mid-point between 'empathy' and 'agreement' but the people who are objecting to showing empathy for Trump voters seem to think they understand them well enough already.
Headline from the article:
Empathy for Trump voters? No, thanks. Understanding? Yes.
As I see it empathy implies condescension. I would rather be understood than be condescended to. I would agree with your point:"It's a more fair-minded piece than the title, or the advice, would suggest."
.........There are individuals who are very good at figuring out how other people’s minds work but who lack any empathic connections; the suffering of others doesn’t bother them one bit.........
............Jettisoning empathy and working on understanding does not lead us to moral relativism; you can appreciate why something was done and still see it as mistaken or cruel. (We can do this even when we reflect our own actions.) Understanding doesn’t involve selling your soul. But knowing the minds of others is an achievement of huge pragmatic importance — among other things, it helps win elections............
He is pining for more left wing psychpaths
and lastly this statement shouted out to me
.........We do bad things reluctantly, because we are forced to, because we have ultimate good ends in mind........
Yuch, This is what I hate about Liberals,
Why does the "ends" always justify the "Means" for the left?
-Mississippi
Change of Subject
Listen to this Grim Steve Bannon at CPAC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08LJngqmkbE
-Mississippi
I haven't got the patience to watch politicians talk for 23 minutes, Mississippi. Did he say anything important?
Grim,
Well, I listened to Scott Pruitts 18 miniute speach the other day and was impressed.
I took it on your advise alone that it was worth it.......
I had the patience not only to read the linked article as well as listen to the 18 minute speech.....
Can Scot Pruitt be considered a politician too?
ow, I like Steve Bannon a whole bunch. Not as much Reince Priebus .
Bannon says Trump as president is doing what he says he was going to do while campaigning for office and he wants the trump administration to be accountable to everyone if he does not do what he says he is going to do.
at 10.08 in video Bannon Speaks about three verticles or buckets of Trumps work.
1. National Security and sovereinty
2 Economic Nationalism 3. Deconstruction of the administrative states
3. Deconstruction of the administrative state. - too many damned regulations
-Mississippi
I beg your pardon. I'm in a somewhat black mood today. I don't typically listen to politicians talk, though -- I read the transcripts, which usually gets the point across much faster if they actually prove to have a point at all.
Bannon's a politician now, whatever he was before. He's got more intellectual heft than most, though, I'll give him that. He might have said something important.
It's hard to make any headway with a liberal of the sort who believes that he and his cohort empathize with the suffering, but no one else does. Especially if he believes that the most important thing is the subjective experience of empathy, and not any actual impact on real suffering. That kind of dope can persuade himself to enjoy hurting people actively because they deserve it, and fail to help others because he misunderstands what they need, while never doubting his own empathy.
Mississippi -
The 'Do bad things reluctantly' line does grate but I chose to read it more as a gentle reminder to the liberals he's really adressing that we are all prone to justify the things we do as being right and necessary.
I still think he's on a fool's errand as liberals not inclined to empathy with conservatives have proven time and time again that they are quite certain they understand what motivates us.
I'm impressed that Americans who fear Israeli control of DC, now elevate politicians boosting for Israel, to the mercy seat. What's the propaganda line now, that DC is now the capital of Israel, instead of Tel Aviv and Chicago being the capital of the US...
Take a cue from psychopaths
If you’re still not convinced of the distinction between understanding and empathy, consider the successful psychopath. There are individuals who are very good at figuring out how other people’s minds work but who lack any empathic connections; the suffering of others doesn’t bother them one bit.
That's amazing. I have also studied those individuals, I just call them Leftists.
The Left are doing quite well in promoting the psychological kill triggers needed to execute sub human trash and non human animal entities. Historically, it takes quite a bit of cultural contamination or indoctrination, to get millions of people to kill with their own hands. But the Aztecs knew the trick. And so did Alinsky, Lucifer, and the Left. Waco PD executed so many white people at Waco 2, that they could be piled up like cord wood.
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