I’d wager that the flames of impeachment were stoked more this week by President Trump’s foreign policy than they have been by any purported impeachable offense his opponents have conjured up over the last three years. By redeploying a few dozen American troops in Syria, the president acceded to a Turkish invasion of territory occupied by the Kurds. Ostensibly, that has nothing to do with the impeachment frenzy over Ukraine, whose government Democrats accuse the president of pressuring to dig up dirt on a political rival. But Turkey’s aggression could crack the president’s impeachment firewall.More than "defensible," the decision was the only one to be made. The United States had only a few Special Forces in the area's front lines, as well as some trainers and support units further back. Turkey is committing tens of thousands of men, including combined arms conventional forces to include heavy artillery, armor, and air support. We have come to hold our special operations forces in a kind of awe, and they are certainly extremely brave and capable. However, "special operations" isn't a synonym for "better than conventional operations." It's a subset of specific missions that require specialized training and setup. These forces are not optimized for the front lines of a conventional war. They're great soldiers, but they're not the right tools for the task.
There is rage over Trump’s decision. It is rage over a policy choice, not over high crimes and misdemeanors. Only the most blindly angry can doubt the lawfulness of the commander-in-chief’s movement of U.S. soldiers, even though it rendered inevitable the Turks’ rout of the Kurds.... Nor does it matter much that, while excruciating, the president’s decision is defensible and will be applauded by Americans weary of entanglement in the Muslim Middle East’s wars.
Nor is diplomacy an option. Erdogan's remaining forces, apart from the Turkish regulars just mentioned, are 14,000 Syrian irregulars. He brought them over to Turkey and massed them for the invasion. Being both non-Turks and irregulars, they won't stay if they aren't used. Erdogan can't be talked out of this because he knows he will lose the bulk of the infantry component he is employing if he doesn't move now.
We have conventional forces we could deploy -- the 82nd Airborne's 3rd Brigade is locked down in Afghanistan, but the rest of it could be shifted from the training exercises it was going to undergo; there's a MEU/SOC (the 11th, I believe) currently working with NAVCENT. But we haven't set up the logistics to support a large conventional deployment. You could get them there, but from day one they'd be burning supplies and needing new ones. What are the supply lines we'd use? Fly into BIAP and truck across the western desert? If Iraq let us, well, you can't supply a large force for long by air alone. Sail into Basra and drive across all of Iraq? Sail into Israel and drive across Jordan? Maybe we could ask our NATO ally Turkey to let us sail into Istanbul and use the same supply lines they'll be using.
Oh, I guess that won't work, huh? Some ally.
And by the way, there are 5,000 US Airmen in Incirlik guarded by Turkish Air Force members. Also fifty tactical nuclear warheads. So if this did become a hot war with Turkey, they could readily seize five thousand hostages and become a nuclear power. They're not ballistic missiles or anything, but they could use them against the very forces we'd be deploying to fight them -- and their intelligence services have had plenty of time to study how these weapons are stored and to learn how to operate them.
The root of this failure -- which may turn out to be the biggest American strategic loss since Vietnam or Korea -- is the failure of our institutions to come to grip with the drift of Turkey and the failure of NATO. The President, foolishly, is selling this as a choice he made for reasons of his own. The truth is he didn't have any choice. It's ugly, and in the medium to long term we could turn it around if we start putting the pieces in place now. But right now, today, there's not a thing we can do to stop the Turks that doesn't do more harm than good.
None of that cuts against Mr. McCarthy's point, though. Almost none of our elected leadership or class of journalists understands any of that. They all think this is happening because Donald Trump 'greenlit' the invasion. To some degree it's his fault for talking as if that were so. Nevertheless if you understand how this works, you quickly see that there wasn't a choice to be made. There were only orders to be issued, and obeyed, in spite of the massive human tragedy they entail. Donald Trump can't convey that; maybe he can't even feel it, for all he manages to show. I believe he truly hates to write letters to the families of fallen soldiers. I'm not sure how much he cares about the others who are being killed, who lately were friends to many of those soldiers. Perhaps that incapacity really is a disqualification, of a sort; although I'd think it more a 25th Amendment disqualification than an impeachable offense.
In any case, many others besides him bear responsibility for this disaster. It should have been obvious, and steps should have been taken to reinforce the position until we were ready to abandon it on our own terms and at a time of our own choosing. We are being routed, humiliatingly by an ostensible ally. We are leaving friends we fought alongside to be murdered. We should have had another choice, and it is our own fault that we do not. We left ourselves unprepared to do what would have to be done to stop it.
Do you think Trump could have done more in the last two years to avoid this, or was it mostly baked into the cake Obama allowed to be baked, and by Erdogan's determination to call our bluff, as it were, and move in?
ReplyDeleteCertainly he could have. We have had three years to reinforce the position and establish supply lines that wouldn’t get cut. But he isn’t a military man. Someone should have advised him.
ReplyDeleteNor is it just the military that failed. State can’t imagine the failure of institutional alliances. We never conceptually prepared for NATO to fail, not planned for it.
But it’s here, now.
Don't you imagine he was advised on those possible actions? I don't think logistics would be foreign to a developer- it's important there too (delivery, scheduling, keeping crews working and not waiting for materials). Mattis, likely at least. I'd imagine he'd reject them on their face as increasing our presence when he promised he'd reduce our presence.
ReplyDeleteThe real question is should we be present all the time everywhere or not-
I always figured that Turkey was admitted to NATO as a defensive measure to keep them from alliance with the Russians (and perhaps Chinese). They were never a good fit. Not admitting them to NATO would seem to have introduced problems as well.
It was the Bosporus strait that brought Turkey to NATO. By treaty they had a sole jurisdiction over it the Soviets kept pressing them to relinquish. That’s why they joined NATO. They were neutral coming out of WWII, but the USSR kept trying to press for control so they could link the Black Sea to the Med.
ReplyDeleteI wonder if we still have those warheads in Incirlik. I remember hearing about them back at the start of the second Iraq campaign and thinking it was long past time to find some way of replacing them with dummies. That's doubtless much easier to say than do, but I'd judge it a high priority.
ReplyDeleteAs a friend and I discussed today, if we didn’t do that our leadership is staffed with idiots. Which means, of course, that those warheads are sitting right there.
ReplyDeleteHowever, "special operations" isn't a synonym for "better than conventional operations." It's a subset of specific missions that require specialized training and setup. These forces are not optimized for the front lines of a conventional war. They're great soldiers, but they're not the right tools for the task.
ReplyDeleteThey would need America and Russia's unconventional weapons to back them up.
These weapons are not known... even to some US Presidents. While some may doubt a hierarchy in the Deep State or the Leftist alliance... there is still a hierarchy with OPSEC. Some people are cleared to know stuff others are not. The US President is considered by many patriots to know everything. That is not true.
He, and Congress, lack the clearance. Of course, there are other ways to inform Trum. Such as the surveillance of his tower during the campaign/primary. Does that feel more convincing in that context? Heh
There was a time when Bush II was said to know more than me, in military operations, thus he was more capable of making decisions than me. Which I thought was true at the time, and was true at the time. Now a days, however, it is far more likely that I am cleared to know things even Trum does not know in as fine a detail.
That may be hilarious or dangerous suicidal, shrugs. It's meaningless anyways. The End nears by the year. Expect THE Last Battle or something else equally entertaining to Americans, soon. When is soon? When we get done working on, hold on.
Someone should have advised him.
ReplyDeleteThey did. He fired most of them by now haha. I mean, those are the only guys he can fire.
Did he fire and purge the FBI? No. The CIA? No.
The Federal Reserve? Haha. It is more likely the Feds can fire him than the other way around. He know sthat by now. Kicking around a few generals, that feels fun though and satisfying.
It was the Bosporus strait that brought Turkey to NATO. By treaty they had a sole jurisdiction over it the Soviets kept pressing them to relinquish. That’s why they joined NATO. They were neutral coming out of WWII, but the USSR kept trying to press for control so they could link the Black Sea to the Med.
ReplyDeleteI assessed the strategic and logistics implications of Constantinople for awhile via software. That place is a death trap or kill zone. It's like a fortress sitting on the only way in or out.
Sighs. They gonna have to do the viking river raft thing again, aren't they. It is why Russia took over Crimea too. And been stoking up ethnic strife in Georgia, looking for an "intervention", as they can split Georgia in two and go down the middle, straight into Turkey. These guys plan somewhat long term.
However, the Russians don't even know what unconventoinal weapons Putin has cooked up. Look up Putin's remarks about countering US strategic missiles with unconventional weapons. He does not mean chemical bio ; )
It's not that the leadership is staffed with idiots. Is that they can only do what their orders allow them to do.
ReplyDeleteMuch of what you call the "leadership" are actually just puppets. In the same fashion that America coerces and influences other foreign leaders with incentives and punishments... the same can be said about the Deep State. The True Deep State.
Maybe we could ask our NATO ally Turkey to let us sail into Istanbul and use the same supply lines they'll be using.
ReplyDeleteHaha. That is Golden funny, Grim. It's like the joke about Chosin something reservoir. They have us surrounded.
Good, they can't get away from us now.
The President, foolishly, is selling this as a choice he made for reasons of his own.
ReplyDeleteWell if that was true... he would have been twitter bombing Turkey along with China, right? After all, doing those tweets should be an all encompassing spam flame war. He shouldn't be ignoring some guy that is going to poke Kurdish allies in some area Trum wants to leave, he should be setting up the bluff, or the con, or the smooth bribery months before. Then he can leave, as planned.
I don't read his feed religiously, so I am not saying it is or isn't. I don't know.
I'm not sure how much he cares about the others who are being killed, who lately were friends to many of those soldiers.
ReplyDeleteAmerica First, everybody else to the back of the line. You don't matter, unless you have more money or guns than America.
This is the "fear factor" Marianne Williamson pointed out.
Fear is based on scarcity. America used to think it could do anything and everything, even land on the moon.
Fear, though, is the idea that "we can't do anything now, so we should retreat and hoard our stuff". That may or may not be correct policy, but for national pride, it has a certain effect on people's souls. Fear is the number one counter to the Holy Spirit and one of the primary tools of Satan Force. Space Force, Satan Force, get it.
We left ourselves unprepared to do what would have to be done to stop it.
ReplyDeleteI think for a Statesman and master strategist, it is just a matter of attention span and micromanagement. Microing too much on twitter obviously does not spell good things for strategic developments that take a long time to get.
A President's time is limited. And Trum is probably very leery of foreign adventures or advisers or "Neo cons". After all, he wasn't on board with Bush II's foreign adventure. Having trust in the CIA/FBI pros that stabbed him in the back... probably didn't make him more likely to listen to the generals.
Deep Blue beat Russia's best chess player. Then in 2016, ALphaGo beat Korea's best Go tournament master (the official one at least). https://deepmind.com/research/case-studies/alphago-the-story-so-far
Neural networking has come a long way. At the time, I said chess is easy, try go. And they did haha. And they even made a brilliant never seen before play at Go. Something that is almost like reading the future, because they played millions of games using all kinds of possibilities. Instead of going for the best intuitive play that uses the least resources on the human bio mind, the computers can go for the least efficient, most ruthlessly pragmatic moves.
Strangely enough, a human player with a computer AI buddy, can still beat the best computer AI. Haha, what is this.
Anyways, Trum is human. He got tired. He can't do everything, even if he thinks he can fire everybody (he can't). He isn't cleared to know everything. People getting distracted by Loyal Opposition (traitors) in DC too.
Welcome to the Republican experience, Trum. You know, the one you kicked around as being stupid and corrupt and full of Neo cons back in 2007. Haha.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/09/11/donald_trump_in_2007_iraq_war_based_on_lies_country_will_explode_the_day_we_pull_out.html
Every attack always boomerangs back on you, Trum. Humans still don't understand how this Karmic system works I see.
https://www.strategypage.com/default.aspx
ReplyDeleteI found that resource to be quite helpful back when I needed a crash course in military whatevers.
Those that want the real deal on the military situation overseas, might want to check that out. Especially as it seems to be dying in popularity due to the lack of "war press".
https://taibbi.substack.com/p/were-in-a-permanent-coup
ReplyDeleteSome think the bell tolls for America too. Courtesy of Huxley via NeoNeo.
he real question is should we be present all the time everywhere or not.
ReplyDeleteI'm happy to leave. I'm not happy to be driven out, or to watch friends shot in the streets after we go.
Erdogan will pay for this. He's started something he can't finish. The Kurds have backcountry in Iraq and Iran he can't capture. He'll never be able to quash the insurgency he's starting as a consequence.
Even Xenophon knew not to mess with the Kurds. And they were far better tasked to deal with in country issues, logistically, language wise, and equipment wise.
ReplyDeleteThe Turks last had a war in.. uh, Armenian Genocide? I have no idea. My military intel is so far out of date, it might as well be Einsenhowers' when he tried breaking into Grumm Lake for an inspection.
I am not worried about the Kurds. Their genetics link straight back to the 10 lost tribes of Israel. And we know who promised to bring them back into the fold, and to test them. Just consider this a "boot camp" test to filter out the "undesirables" and other failures, the way Marine Sniper school and Ranger school does.
I'm not happy to be driven out, or to watch friends shot in the streets after we go.
ReplyDeleteYou think Trump IS happy about that?
By the way, while Turkey's current dictator may like the Russkies, the Russkies don't like him all that much. He serves a purpose. Further, there's no reason to think that Erdogan (or his party) will last forever.
Meantime, Saudi--the home of the greatest Muslim threat--is being neutralized by Trump.
Finally, you may have seen reports that Turkey is 'holding our nukes hostage.' Interesting development, IF true.
We have had three years to reinforce the position and establish supply lines that wouldn’t get cut.
ReplyDeleteSure, assuming Trump intended to keep the troops there. But he didn't.
You think Trump IS happy about that?
ReplyDeleteI don't really care how he feels, or if he does. He works for me, and you, and the rest of us. I'm not happy about it.
That said, if he isn't happy about it, he has a funny way of showing it. Not that I have to care about that, either.
Sure, assuming Trump intended to keep the troops there. But he didn't.
The Turks cut our supply lines yesterday, while we still have troops there. It's malpractice to have supply lines cut by an inferior army when you aren't quite ready to leave yet. The military should be ashamed of itself for letting this happen.
Finally, you may have seen reports that Turkey is 'holding our nukes hostage.' Interesting development, IF true.
Like I said, only morons would have left them there this long given Erdogan's obvious drift over three presidencies -- so you can be sure they're still there.
It sounds like somebody was trying to goad or bluff Turkey with an American casualties. Thinking Turkey might be scared to fire on NATO allies, incurring American casualties, and thus producing a casus belli. But Trum knows he can't or even shouldn't use a few Americans as casualties for that. Maybe a kind of internal treason or inconsistency going on there.
ReplyDeleteI do not have the faith that the US President controls anything, even in the military. Stuff I know that others aren't cleared to know. For operations that are no longer important, sure, the President exercises his normal CINC powers.
But Lusitania? Gulf of Tonkin? Bay of Pigs? These events happen due to other players and factions. Diem?
The military should be ashamed of itself for letting this happen.
Which is why I think it is intentional. The white hats vs the black hats. Somebody may have wanted to escalate matters, provoking Turkey into attacking and if some Americans had gotten hit or killed... wouldn't that force Trum's AMerica First hand?
The logistics is basically a bait for Turkey. A lot of these black ops and clandestine operations are quite predictable, strangely enough, for those of us connecting the dots.
And if Trum avoided that... then there's another Catch 22 for him. That's how Kings are backstabbed in Byzantine. They don't see or notice everything. They only have time to micro a few things, like twitter. Everything else is potentially liable to blowback on them, from some hidden assassination faction they never knew about.
It has been several years since Hussein warped and purged the US military. I would be curious exactly who issued the orders for the SPecial Forces, specifically who goes where and why certain logistics units are there or not there. The fact that Leftists are covering it up with impeachment stuff, is also slightly suspicious. This is the "onion" layer of disinformation.
With Benghazi, people wondered about how things could fail. My instincts immediately told me, "this was not a failure due to incompetence, this was intentional orders by Hussein and co".
ReplyDeleteAnd look and behold, a few months later, people realized that Africome or whatever theater the embassy was in, gave orders for standing CIA/ex military forces to "stand down" when listening to the embassy radio reports. Predictable? Psychic powers? Nope. Just basic intel connecting the dots.
For Trum it is almost as easy. What is the Deep State doing with the US military? That is the key question. Who does the Deep State have in the US military, and hence the Special Forces deployed near Turkey? Are the American public going to find out months or years later, what really happened, when people paid to do the job get on the task that was already obvious to some of us?
The military should be ashamed of itself for letting this happen.
ReplyDeleteGives us reason to believe that "the military" is sandbagging Trump, no? Could Mattis have been THAT stupid? No. Mattis left it un-done.
Mattis has less authority than the President. And the President had his own problems to consider.
ReplyDeleteNot sure what Mattis could do about it, and he isn't going to go to Rolling Stones on the matter to tell us either.
As for the military, when President Eisenhower called up the Grumm Lake base and told them that he would be coming in for an inspection to check out what they are doing, he was told "you cannot do that, Sir, you do not have the clearance".
Eisenhower eventually relied on his army connections to get in. "Look son, you can either let me in or you can wait until several divisions have surrounded you as they escort me in."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/government-officially-acknowledges-existence-of-area-51-but-not-the-ufos/2013/08/16/ca4feaec-06be-11e3-a07f-49ddc7417125_story.html
ReplyDeletehttps://www.exopolitics.org/eisenhower-threatened-to-invade-area-51-former-us-congress-members-hear-testimony/
Also don't believe everything the internet and media tells you. It is very difficult to verify the truth of things, given eye witness corruptions and the fact that the original sources tend to end up like Epstein sooner or later.
If I wanted to make things up, I would write a book and get richer.
American Presidents have been in the dark, literally, on this whole Deep State matter. It goes back far longer than Bush II, 9/11, or WW2. As I illustrated elsewhere, it probably goes back to Adam, in the creation of the Satan soul, free will, etc.
Counter Devil: Don't you know, Ymar, that Snopes has debunked all that stuff by now?
ReplyDeleteYes, I know, next.