When a 23-year-old autistic man carrying a toy truck wandered from a mental health center out into the street Monday, a worker there named Charles Kinsey went to retrieve him.It makes perfect sense. You train for a stimulus/response reaction, you're training the officers to shoot without thinking. He doesn't know why he shot. It's an honest answer. Some stimulus triggered the response. He never thought about whether to shoot at all.
A few minutes later the autistic man was still sitting cross-legged blocking the roadway while playing with the small, rectangular white toy. And Kinsey was prone on the ground next to him — a bullet from an assault rifle fired by a police officer having struck his leg.
“He throws his hands up in the air and says, ‘Don’t shoot me.’ They say lie on the ground, so he does,” Kinsey’s attorney Hilton Napoleon said Wednesday. “He’s on his back with his hands in the air trying to convince the other guy to lie down. It doesn’t make any sense.”
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Kinsey said when he asked the officer why he fired his weapon, the cop responded, “I don’t know.”
Gestapo mentality. "I don't know, I'm just following orders".
ReplyDeleteOr in this case, operant conditioning. And before you react to that, Grim, I remind you that the Gestapo and Nazis weren't evil. They were only evil Because DEMOCRATS SAID SO. To be clear, evil is in individual human acts against conscience and righteousness. It's not an organization that can be evil. An organization, well, it can't be good either of course in that definition.
The KKK weren't evil either.
There is only one organization that can be considered evil on this planet, at any one time. Usually Islam takes the cake, but not always.
He never thought about whether to shoot at all.
ReplyDeleteWhich is why the Dallas BLM terrorist hit squad was so effective. They did train to know who they were shooting and why. As a result, Dallas murderers also had the tactical advantage.
Btw, this isn't OODA loop gun training. Operant conditioning is effective only by circumventing the Decide part of the OODA loop. No decision is necessary. Or rather, it is pre programmed, like a bomb's timer.
ReplyDeleteThe reason why this is dangerous to use in civilians or anybody else, is that without certain safeguards, people are walking around with assault rifles.... or other lethal weapons, and they can be Triggered, and nobody even knows what the Trigger is.
I remind you that the Gestapo and Nazis weren't evil. They were only evil Because DEMOCRATS SAID SO. To be clear, evil is in individual human acts against conscience and righteousness. It's not an organization that can be evil. An organization, well, it can't be good either of course in that definition. The KKK weren't evil either.
ReplyDeleteIt's good or evil by analogy. One might say that only God is good; but then, "good" is a quality (in God) that is simply impossible for any created being to possess. And that seems to be true, but it is also true that a man can be (in a sense) good. Not good in the same way. It's an analogy.
The same with organizations. They aren't good or evil the same way as an individual with a soul. But they are good or bad in an analogical way. It's not the same thing. But it's a sensible way to speak.
You have a lot of trouble with analogical reasoning, I've noticed. We're talking about the American police here, and you reach at once for the Gestapo, the Nazis, and the KKK. Those are really weak analogies.
Btw, this isn't OODA loop gun training. Operant conditioning is effective only by circumventing the Decide part of the OODA loop. No decision is necessary.
I would say, rather, that it has been pre-loaded. Someone made a decision that, presented with such and such stimuli, you should shoot. They taught the police to do that, trained them in it, drilled them until it happens reliably. So the decision is made before the policeman even arrives on the scene; it's just waiting on the right stimuli.
I call it "OODA-loop gun training" because it's aimed at solving the problem the OODA loop presents for the police. If they wait to react to someone with a weapon, they're going to get shot or stabbed a lot more often. But if they do this instead, they're going to shoot innocent people a lot more often. Neither outcome is desirable, but we have to make a decision about which one is better.
Ultimately, policing is an inherently honorable profession insofar as it partakes of the essence of honor. That essence is sacrificing of yourself for the good of others. Taking the risks on is the honorable thing to do; pushing the risks off onto those you are meant to be protecting is not.
I still haven't been able to find full video, just a clip of him on the ground, hands up, pre-shooting. Without that, or other testimony, the only video other than that from the scene that I saw was off police with long arms, behind cover. If that's the case, I can't imagine the stimulus that should have resulted in a reaction to fire. I suspect you had a confluence of a poorly trained who may not have been the best person to be a cop, in an atmosphere of extremely high tension because of current events making a flat out mistake. That's not the same as racism, but those who wish to see it will and it will be difficult to get anywhere with them now that they have this apparent reinforcing of their preconceptions out there.
ReplyDeleteI haven't suggested that any of these shootings are racist. I think they're all, or nearly all, a product of bad training.
ReplyDeleteWe're talking about the American police here, and you reach at once for the Gestapo, the Nazis, and the KKK. Those are really weak analogies.
ReplyDeleteThe Gestapo was what I used, but the Nazis and the KKK were something you usually bring up, Grim, vis a vis certain anarchists and counter protests on the news.
You have a lot of trouble with analogical reasoning, I've noticed.
I wouldn't call the blind faith that organizations are evil, to be reasoning. It's more like a labeling and a distortion of truth, calling evil good and good evil.
For example, if the Gestapo is evil, but the police are not evil, then by definition the police cannot have anything in common with the Gestapo. Humans being humans, that is a false comparison. Because I am different from people, I clarify exactly how I am different at times. Thus when a normal persons says Cruz's family is Gestapo or that Trump is Gestapo, they mean it in your fashion. When I use the term Gestapo, I use it in my fashion.
I call it "OODA-loop gun training" because it's aimed at solving the problem the OODA loop presents for the police. If they wait to react to someone with a weapon, they're going to get shot or stabbed a lot more often.
Civilians have to react to violent assaults all the time. How can they adhere to Rules of Engagement, yet the police, merely because of unions, their ROE, and greater incidence of contact with criminals, are having problems differentiating between threats and non threats? If the problem was as mighty as the police unions made it out to be, untrained civilian operators would be having even more problems, with the various x million gun related self defense uses every year. Even if 5-10% of them end up as homicides or unjustified use of force, it would become a huge problem. Vigilante level. The fact that more Americans are being trained and armed, yet crime is going down, doesn't seem to corroborate the police union political claim that they need to circumvent the human conscience and remove 50% of the OODA loop from a person's decision cycle.
OODA= Observe, Orientate, Decide, Act.
Due to police union training, it takes too long for young and even old officers to orientate and then decide to act correctly. So they cut the O and D parts out, and it becomes Observe, then Act. Follow and Obey. That is unnecessary to safeguard communities and the lives of LEOs, so they chose that method for some other purpose.
The thing people don't show is all the white people that have been executed by police. A far larger number, compared to the black population.