"I've known Kamala a long time... She was always of Indian heritage... I didn't know she was Black until a couple of years ago when she happened to turn Black"
While it is true that Kamala Harris’ father claimed to be a descendant of a slave owner, Harris and her family’s relationship to Hamilton Brown remains unclear.
In an article published by the Jamaica Globe (here), professor Donald Harris wrote: “My roots go back, within my lifetime, to my paternal grandmother Miss Chrishy (née Christiana Brown, descendant of Hamilton Brown who is on record as plantation and slave owner and founder of Brown’s Town),” a town in Jamaica.
According to the Centre for the Study of the Legacies of British Slave-ownership, Hamilton Brown was an Irish resident slave-owner in Jamaica, and founder of Brown’s Town (here). Snopes, which investigated this claim (here) in 2019, reported that Brown owned at least 121 and 124 slaves in 1826 and 1817, respectively.
These in-depth Fact Checks by Snopes and Politifact (here) have determined that while there is no clear evidence to prove Kamala Harris is a descendant of slave owners, it is likely that she is a descendant of both slaves and slave owners.
We've discussed the fact-checker and media love for the phrase "there is no evidence." Here we just get that "there is no clear evidence." But there is clear evidence: we have the direct testimony of her father, which was written down and published. Any historian would consider a direct, published testimonial to be evidence. That in fact is the primary and preferred sort of evidence with which historians work. You can perhaps argue that evidence does not suffice for proof, but you can't deny that there is clear evidence.
I imagine Trump is just throwing bombs because it's fun, but he does incidentally point out a major problem not just for Kamala but for the ideology she represents. The White House is responding that no one has any right to interrogate someone's identity; but if you're going to run a DEI program, in which preference points are assigned based on identity, you have no choice but to question the identities that people claim. Otherwise you end up with Elizabeth Warren cases everywhere.
Further, there is a serious and unaddressed division on identifying as (say) a man/woman versus (say) black or Indian. In fact, let's use the American Indian for this example -- in Warren's honor, the Cherokee. The Cherokee will definitely interrogate your claim to be one of them, and they have a developed methodology for doing it. They defend this methodology in court and use it to deny some people (especially black people descended from Cherokee slaves) status as Cherokee. Because we have a very elaborate set of preferences and awards for verified Native Americans, businesses owned by them, land owned by them, and so forth and so on, this sort of interrogation is unavoidable. If you want a world in which no one can interrogate your identity, your identity can't be used to assign employment or benefits. If it is, others with whom you are in competition have a right to question whether you really deserved the preferences you received over them. They have standing, as the courts say.
When the Surgeon General of the United States adopts female pronouns and dress, however, we're told it's totally improper to question it. Yet here too, women have a lot of protections and advantages -- scholarships not least, but also physical spaces from which they can exclude men in moments of vulnerability -- that are imperiled if everyone can just identify and nobody can question it. So of course there are fights about this everywhere, in legislatures and in courts and in homes and schools.
In addition, Trump is pointing to something that isn't often discussed because it's considered wildly impolite to mention, but that I wonder if a lot of black people don't have concerns about. I'm not the least bit black myself and don't pretend to be, but if I were I would wonder about how different not only Kamala but Barack Obama are from the Black American story. The smaller concern would be that they are each only half black, and are on the other side children of extraordinary privilege: on his white side Obama was a cousin of George Washington and descended from wealth and social connection in the white community; Harris' mother was a Brahmin who received advanced education 60 years ago, being about as well connected among the elite caste of India as Obama's white family was here.
The greater concern is that neither of their black parents shared the Black American experience of slavery and Civil Rights. Obama's father was not descended from slaves or Freedom Riders; he was a Kenyan whose ancestors did not share any of the American experiences. Obama opted in without any of the historical lack of privilege that most Black Americans descend from, and which has defined their struggle. Harris' family, as discussed above, were in her father's generation self-declared descendants from slavers and slave traders, not slaves.
Again, I'm not black and this isn't my fight. I can't help but think that if I were, though, I'd be asking myself how it was that the first black President and Vice President were both of this strange stripe: not really like us, not at all, neither by blood nor by lived experience. I'd ask myself why they both came from such privilege, and opted into our community only when they found an advantage. At least that's what I think I'd ask myself.
But again, it's not my fight. I wonder if it isn't a fight that just got started, though.
Harris' mother was a Brahmin who received advanced education 60 years ago, being about as well connected among the elite caste of India as Obama's white family was here.
ReplyDeleteActually, Kamala's mother's Brahmin caste origin means that she was MUCH more connected to the elite than Obama's white grandparents were. Obama's white grandfather was a furniture salesman, albeit one with ambitions beyond that job. A Brahmin would laugh at a furniture salesman. Rather like a plantation owner looking down at a poor white.
Regarding the white background of Kamala's Jamaican father, my assumption is that this was an all-too-familiar case of the slaveowner taking liberties with one of his slaves.
Again, I'm not black and this isn't my fight. I can't help but think that if I were, though, I'd be asking myself how it was that the first black President and Vice President were both of this strange stripe: not really like us, not at all, neither by blood nor by lived experience. I'd ask myself why they both came from such privilege, and opted into our community only when they found an advantage. At least that's what I think I'd ask myself.
That is a valid point from my perspective.
l listened to more of the interview than is generally being presented by the media--Fox News had a fairly extensive clip of that particular exchange and more of what the question was and Trump's response to it.
ReplyDeleteIt seemed clear to me that Trump wasn't questioning Harris' ethnicity or race so much as he was, in his inimitable way, questioning Harris' flexible characterization of her own heritage and ethnicity.
But yes, let's have the press focus on its collective racist outrage while ignoring the convenience of flexible race and ethnicity.
Oh, and I'm not black, either, but it most assuredly is my fight just as much as it is blacks' or Hispanics' or Asians' or.... Racist sewage is every American's fight. And I understand what it means to be black at least as much as these racists understand what it means to be white. Maybe more so in my particular case; I grew up just on the other side of those metaphorical railroad tracks.
Eric Hines
The Brahmins basically invented the caste system or what we might now call the progressive "stack". A child of the untouchable caste is doomed from conception.
ReplyDeleteSo when is she going to play the Irish card and adopt a brogue?
ReplyDeleteKamala's ancestry has been memory-holed because they need her to be a certain style for PR purposes. Black people say such things (and did about Obama) all the time, but it gets dicier when outsiders do it.
ReplyDeleteYet I think this is part of Trump's rising popularity among black and especially Hispanic men. He says out loud what they do, and they laugh. I get the impression it infuriates women, especially white women, much more.
AVI
ReplyDeleteYet I think this is part of Trump's rising popularity among black and especially Hispanic men. He says out loud what they do, and they laugh. I get the impression it infuriates women, especially white women, much more.
Yes, and yes. No accident that Trump's vote in 98% Hispanic Starr County, on the border, went from 18% in 2016 to 47% in 2020. But all the liberal white ladies got their knickers in a twist about what Trump said, as AVI notes. "Mojado" doesn't upset me, because mojados have called ME mojado- in a friendly way. Those liberal white ladies have no idea about how prejudiced people south of the border can be. No tienen idea(they have no idea). Our liberal white ladies assume that prejudice is confined to whites. From experience, I can tell our liberal white ladies that it is not.
BTW, I am listening to a local Mexican FM station whose byline is "la musica de la raza." The music of the race, the Mexican race. If an Anglo/white/mainstream had that byline, it would have its license revoked and maybe even have its building firebombed.
Love the tuba and accordion of the Nortena (Northern Mexico) music- polka or not. So what if it is appropriated from the German and Czechs who immigrated to Central TX in the 1850s, and then smuggled across the border to Mexico, and then smuggled north.
"La raza" is almost exactly equivalent to "white," that bête noir of those liberal white ladies you mention. They'll tell you that whiteness is a construct invented somehow both to exclude and assimilate politically, so that the Irish and Germans and Italians were slowly brought in but others were permanently beyond its border. The concept of "la raza" is even more explicitly that: used for generations by activists in an attempt to assimilate those of Spanish descent, various Native Americans, those descended from Aztecs or Mayans, and so on and so forth into a unified "race" that allows for an us/them discrimination.
ReplyDeleteHowever, until recently "la raza" advocates have been leftist politically, so unlike "white" it never draws the fire of those liberal white ladies. Their objection to whiteness isn't philosophical, it's political and social.
"Yet I think this is part of Trump's rising popularity among black and especially Hispanic men. He says out loud what they do, and they laugh. I get the impression it infuriates women, especially white women, much more."
ReplyDeleteWell, AVI, you might find this of interest then- demonstrates you are right on the money. They don't just laugh, I think, I think they believe he really gets them in a way other politicians (perhaps even Obama) do not.