Likewise, there's plenty of stuff you can stay definitely is not country music, like The Cure or Beethoven. It's music, and Beethoven at least is great music, but without question it's not country music.
Vagueness problems come in when there's movement along the substratum between X and not-X. At first you have a clear-cut case of X and you know that it's X; later, you may be aware of some things that are not-purely-X in a case of X; later still, you may no longer be sure the thing is X at all. After a while, you'll be pretty sure it's not-X, and eventually totally sure. The problem lies in those cases where the vagueness blurs the categories in a way that can make knowledge of the truth uncertain. (That model of vagueness, and for that matter of knowledge, is philosopher Timothy Williamson's).
We are presented this week with a vagueness case, as the pop star known as Beyonce has released what she is pleased to describe as a country song. The question of what makes a song "country music" is thus relevant again.
I have not heard the song. I don't think I've ever heard a song by Beyonce; she's ordinarily operative in a part of the music world I actively dislike (which is not to say that I actively dislike the musicians or people involved: it's just the music I definitely don't like). Regular readers are aware that I think popular music is significantly degraded over the last few decades, replaced by a kind of publicity stunt without the merits of earlier popular music. An occasional topic of this blog is finding the better music that is being produced but not publicized.
Beyonce is one of those acts that is the product of a contemporary publicity machine. For example, apparently this song was announced by an advertisement on the Super Bowl, itself a publicity machine product, which would have cost millions of dollars. It was accompanied by a photo-shoot designed to move eyebrows -- I mean eyeballs -- which was also placed in a tweet that was pushed by journalists across many outlets. You could be forgiven for thinking that prima facie this won't have much to do with country music's traditional themes of hardscrabble rural life, for example.
As country music outlet WhiskeyRiff puts it, however, the vagueness problem isn't limited to her anyway.
And while I know there will be, and already have been, complaints about the fact that this “isn’t a country song” and BeyoncĂ© “isn’t a country artist,” I’d say the vast majority of what’s heard on country radio isn’t exactly that, either, so this really isn’t any different in my opinion.As a side note, she’s also been rocking a cowboy hat pretty regularly since the Grammy’s, if that gives you any indication on the marketing aspect[.]
That's a very fair point. Given what Nashville is pushing, why not Beyonce? Dolly Parton has even suggested it, having just done her own adventure into rock music.
Given that it's Friday night, after the jump I'll include some videos playing with the question of what is and is not real country music, as well as another vagueness case by the Rolling Stones.
(Here's a live version of that same one from the Knucklheads Saloon, with a live monologue that's relevant and amusing.)
I think there's male CW (my baby left me and I got drunk), and female CW (my baby is a drunk and I'm sticking with him).
ReplyDeleteI have no idea what Beyonce sounds like.
Classical has a similar problem, at least when you look at how Amazon and others categorize music. Are recent movie soundtracks classical? Some are, some are not, according to the computers. Once you get past the "classical" of the 1950s (some Leonard Bernstein, Randall Thompson, some Russian composers) it gets messier and messier.
ReplyDeleteIs Bluegrass country? Yes. What about "Dust in the Wind" by Kansas? (Thematically close to some country, but considered rock.) I suspect we are at the point of "I know it when I hear it."
I tend to listen to old country (up through the Outlaws), roots music, classical/Baroque/Renaissance/Medieval, some soundtracks, dark instrumental, dark symphonic metal, and modern classical choral as well as some instrumental. It has to have a harmony and melody, and lyrics that are not obscene or sacrilegious. Once you get past that, I'll listen to almost anything once.
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And now we have Tracy Chapman AND Luke Combs performing "Fast Car"... Country or not? Protagonist is leaving the shelter, aspiring to the suburbs...
ReplyDeleteDo songs of the working class automatically count as "country music"? Tennessee Ernie Ford's "16 Tons"? Dolly Parton's "9 to 5"; Billy Joel's "Allentown"; Bruce Springsteen's "Factory"? Is there a separate genre called "Proletarian Music"?
Are genre identifications pretty fluid?
Is "The Magic Flute" an opera? "HMS Pinafore"? "Show Boat"? "Les Miserables"? How much spoken dialog can the work tolerate before leaving the reservation?
Is Pluto a planet?
Yes, exactly. It is a general problem for knowledge.
ReplyDeleteHere's Alan Jackson singing about how this came about.
ReplyDeletehttps://youtu.be/si-ja75bFvI?si=ZznetPaCdoeXK2DF
It seems that country might be a victim of its own success. According to Wikipedia (in the intro), "In 2009, in the United States, country music was the most listened to rush hour radio genre during the evening commute, and second most popular in the morning commute." That's probably reflected in sales, etc. If I'm right, then a lot of people want a cut of that pie and they bring some of their favored genre with them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country_music
Alan Jackson is correct, but Kelli O'Hara argues the flow is restricted if one is NOT "going country"
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2PBOAbdIcU
That's funny, J. A good response, indeed.
ReplyDeleteI heard someone point out that it was exactly 18 years after Waylon and Willie produced "Mamas, Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up to be Cowboys" that the hit song was "Where Have All the Cowboys Gone?"
ReplyDeleteCertainly when one speaks to the categorization of "music genre" one is really talking about more than strictly the music. Else one might well consider the Eagles a country band.
ReplyDeleteTruth be told, it's probably more a kind of tribalism categorization than anything else. Are you "in group" or "out group"? Well, are you reaching the working class? Makes me want to drink? Have a twang? Use the right symbols in your lyrics? And so on. If you get yes on enough (but certainly not all are necessary), you're "in".
One can also be a member of multiple tribes.
If it was strictly the music, the algorithms at Spotify would keep you in perfectly segregated genres. I do find they work pretty well to find music of a similar 'feeling', but not necessarily genre at all.