Justice and the Same Article

The subject that happened to have our Pulitzer-winning critic so incensed as to rethink free speech was, it happens, the war in Israel. Or, as she puts it:
We do not protest the war on Gaza because we have an abstract right to do so; we protest it because it is one of the great moral atrocities of our lifetimes and because the widespread refusal to admit this in America is an atrocity in its own right.
The war in Israel compares and contrasts to the ongoing war in Syria in interesting ways. Points of comparison: they are both wars in the Middle East that have involved intense urban combat and the consequent unsettling of large urban populations. The unsettled communities were already on thin ice in terms of access to human goods like food, water, health care; the systems collapsed under the weight of the war, resulting in a lot of suffering. Many, perhaps most, of the people suffering are innocent of any intent to participate in the war: they are, formally, noncombatants. Noncombatant immunity is an important principle of the moral considerations that followed especially the Second World War, and thus our framework for evaluating conflicts considers violations of that principle to be war crimes of one sort or another. 

Points of contrast: Assad's war on his own population involved chemical weapons, barrel bombs, and so forth, but they never garnered any significant action against him from the same Left that is so intensely opposed to Israel. Barack Obama invoked but never enforced a 'red line' on the subject. Instead, the displacement of far more people -- some thirteen million, more than six and a half million of whom were forced to flee the country and resettle abroad -- was accomodated by Western governments with center Left to Leftist policies. If Israel forced everyone in Gaza out of the country, it would not even be a third as many as Assad did. 

Justice, I said below, entails something like 'treating relevantly similar cases similarly.' Assad is still in power; indeed, he is increasingly rehabilitated as people realize that he's not going anywhere. The West accepted and accomodated his actions, and the refugees who went abroad seeking better lives than were possible for them in the war zone of Syria. 

There are differences in degree -- differences on which Assad is worse -- but it is striking that so many people want to treat the events as different in kind. This is a product of the frame in which the contemporary Left is trained to divide people into classes and judge them by their class membership: and Israelis are considered "colonialists" and "imperialists" and "oppressors," whereas the Palestinians are considered a victim class. It is thus a "great moral atrocity" that victimizers are being allowed to victimize victims. In Syria, none of the classes rise to the conscious assignment of a status: they aren't important enough to the Left to be thought worthy of, well, thought. 

There's no justice in that evaluation that I can discern.

It is noteworthy, by the way, that people were also so much more willing to accept Syrian refugees as Palestinian ones. This is not merely by accident, i.e., because the Palestinian ones would be coming later than the Syrian ones. No, there is a reason behind it that is not well understood outside the Middle East. Palestinian refugees were once accepted, in millions, by Kuwait: their political structure, the PLO at the time, set itself up as a state-within-a-state and then cooperated with Saddam in overthrowing the government which had taken them in and given them new hope. After the war, Kuwait expelled them in their millions. Jordan also accepted Palestinian refugees: the PLO once again formed a state-within-a-state and waged civil war on the Jordanian kingdom until it finally successfully expelled them. Lebanon likewise had such refugees, who formed a state-within-a-state and joined forces with the civil war and allied with Hezbollah. The Egyptians deployed their army to the Sinai, promising "to sacrifice millions" of their soldiers if necessary, not to wage war against Israel on behalf of fellow Arabs. They did it to prevent Palestinians from coming into Egypt in any real numbers. Neighbor states will not accept Palestinian refugees until this toxic political culture has been replaced with one that can make peace with its hosts. 

That's another relevant difference to be considered. That toxic political culture is the reason for the present war and for all the other ones just mentioned. Hamas is itself an outgrowth of that same PLO culture, and it has itself constituted a state-within-a-state for the purpose of waging war on its host. The enduring ceasefire activists want was in place on October 6th: it turns out Hamas had been planning, training, and equipping for more than a year for the purpose of ending it. Neither could Israel, nor any state, sustain its political legitimacy if it did not respond to an attack like October 7th without military action designed to prevent such things happening in the future.

Noncombatant immunity may not be a sustainable principle: certainly it was wanted after World War II precisely because it was so frequently violated during World War II, and by all sides (including especially ours). Pragmatism as a philosophy suggests that a principle that cannot be sustained in reality is false; there are reasons to think that, however desirable this one may be, it may not in fact be pragmatically sustainable. There may be no way to wage war in urban environments, especially against a group like Hamas that intentionally uses the population as hostages (and physical cover), without violating the principle. Yet where such groups that plot and manifest atrocities exist, they will sometimes need to be fought. Whether the principle can survive remains to be seen.

Justice, though, somehow has to evaluate all of this in an impartial and even-handed manner. This does not entail not caring about the innocents who are harmed and displaced, but it may mean finding ways to accomodate them. I frankly think the Syrians who fled to Germany are better off than the ones who remain internally displaced in Syria; and that, in fact, their children are now likely to know better, more peaceful, and more prosperous lives in their futures than would ever have been possible in Syria.  Yet the Palestinians are not a parallel case: there is the relevant similarity, but also the relevant difference of a toxic politics that has proven incompatible even with several other Arab states, Muslim states. Sometimes justice may mean accepting that the world does not live up to our principles, and that when it does not it is we who must give way.

19 comments:

  1. Noncombatant immunity...certainly it was wanted after World War II precisely because it was so frequently violated during World War II, and by all sides (including especially ours).

    There was then a critical difference between the Allied ("especially ours") purpose in targeting civilians and terrorists' targeting of them. The Allies targeted civilians with the purpose of cowing the surviving populations into forcing their nations to quit the war. Terrorists target civilians for the purpose of killing civilians as well as using civilians and civilian structures as shields and as weapons caches, launching facilities, and command centers.

    After WWII, the Allies, and the West in general, learned the lessons of the failure to cow populations with such measures and elevated the morality (as well as the tactics and availability of technology) of protecting civilians and their structures as much as possible and have been at pains to protect ever since. Terrorists still target civilians as targets in themselves and otherwise don't see civilians even as human, but merely as inanimate tools for terrorist protection and for propagandizing Western "failures" of protection.

    The difference is even sharper today.

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  2. I'm not sure what distinction you intend between "cow" and "terrorize," but I also don't think I share your view of the Allies' war aims. The air war on Germany was not merely to cow the population, but to unhouse it: this was the term employed by the designers. They also intended to kill that population, reasoning that it provided workers for the factories: if the bombs aren't good enough to derail the factories, making the workers sick or dead will derail them just as well. The firebombings of Dresden and Tokyo likewise had broader aims than merely cowing people: each of them killed around a hundred thousand. I think that 'striking civilians as targets in themselves' is exactly what was intended there (and at Nagasaki and Hiroshima).

    Certainly it's true that subsequently there has been lots of rhetorical faith, though a much smaller amount of practical faith, paid to the business of noncombatant immunity in our wars. We paid reparations in Iraq when an airstrike went wrong, and took some degree of care to prevent them from going wrong to start with. Our manuals proclaim the importance of this, especially FM 3-24 Counterinsurgency. I've participated in it myself, so I know that at least officially we believe in the importance of this.

    That said, an honest examination of the practice shows that military exegency is often given priority to this principle, even by us, and moreso by many of our allies. We also cut substantial exceptions out for ourselves in operations that can be kept clandestine or at least highly classified: there's an awful lot of leeway given to raids by French commandos in Algeria or US Navy SEALs in Afghanistan, for example.

    And our nuclear doctrine is in complete violation of the principle. Unlike the Soviets, who developed a nuclear war-fighting doctrine, the US Mutually-Assured Destruction holds the whole population hostage against the event of a nuclear exchange.

    Now, I just argued that the principle of noncombatant immunity may not be pragmatically sustainable. Against a danger like nuclear war, perhaps the success of MAD shows that it was the right principle after all. So far! That's a danger of pragmatism: the pragmatic facts can change in the future.

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  3. "Cow" and "terrorize"--interchangeable in this context. But killing the civilians was deliberate and the goal, and unhousing was just CYI to cover the fact that we were deliberately targeting them in order to terrorize their survivors into forcing their nations to quit.

    an honest examination of the practice shows that military exegency is often given priority to this principle....

    Certainly, and it must: the mission must never be sacrificed on the alter of killing few or no civilians--that only leads to far more civilian deaths, especially our own when we're conquered and enslaved for having chosen not to fight as necessary for our survival.

    The MAD strategy also was for public consumption. Our nuclear targeting--and I was one of the users of those nuclear weapons--was shifted to counterforce--targeting the enemy's military assets--shortly after we went public with MAD (MAD was, I suggest, an outcome of JFK's evident timidity toward Khurschev and the Soviets in general).

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  4. I accept your authority for the latter claim, which I recognize as valid.

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  5. I defer to both of you in military history. I do remember reading that the first A-bomb was officially targeted at a Japanese army headquarters and military train yard in Hiroshima, so there seems to have been some concern to at least look like they were intending to hit military targets. There were also leaflets dropped to the citizens of Hiroshima to evacuate. I believe there was some sort of official military target for Nagasaki as well.

    I don't know if any of that mitigates what actually happened, or if it was just an attempt to have some kind of plausible deniability that they had intentionally targeted civilians. Do you two have any thoughts on that aspect of it?

    I have thought some on the idea of proportionality in the dropping of the A-bombs. If the intended military objective was to end the war without having to invade the main islands, how many civilian deaths would that justify? That equation seems like something difficult to answer in any hard case. I can imagine a line of research that might come up with some rough answer, but have no time to follow it, and won't in any kind of near future.

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  6. Part 1/2: Tokyo firebombing, per Wikipedia, caused 88,00-97,000 deaths, from a raid of 282 bombers making it to the target, dropping 1665 tons of bombs.

    The Hiroshima nuclear bombing, per Wikipedia, caused 129,000-226,000 deaths, from a raid of one bomber (neglecting escorts) bombing and dropping one bomb.

    If the goal was civilian deaths, the nuclear bomb was, proximately, more efficient. If the goal was shocking the Japanese government into giving up the war, the bombing and that of Nagasaki combined were even more efficient: it prevented the necessity of an invasion, necessarily over the beaches (which the island hopping attacks had already demonstrated would be costly in bodies), and millions more casualties, including Japanese civilians.

    That was then.

    As I said earlier, we've learned better about the ability to cow a population as well as a more proper role of morality in warfighting.

    Today, two primary purposes for nuclear weapons, IMNSHO, are, one, to target the enemy's missile fields, his mass formations of more conventional surface forces, his boomer subs, and, two, to dig out command and control bunkers, including government bunkers, and missile silos. And one more purpose, to the extent this sort of target still exists, to explode nuclear warheads in the middle of bomber formations--which were the nuclear weapons I had, as the next to last in the chain of nuclear release/employment. It's also the case that nuclear weapons, for most of those purposes, only needed to come within some definition of "close."

    Today, many of those missions are being mitigated, or can be, with modern more conventional weapons. Bunker busters--MOABs--can dig deep, and increasingly accurate guided weapons are much more efficient at dealing with massed surface or air formations to the point that those forces' dispersion is without much effect. That's also the case for counter-space operations. It isn't even necessary for a high altitude nuclear burst to create a mass EMP effect.

    Additionally, cyber attacks are much more efficient than nuclear weapons in targeting a technological nation's infrastructure; isolating, if not freezing, government control from its military and civilian assets; and injecting erroneous data into enemy databases (often in advance of the main attack) and into enemy command and control centers and individual weapons sensors.

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  7. Part 2/2: There is one area where I think it still appropriate to target so-called civilians in particular. That is the barbarity that is Russia. It's only necessary to look at the atrocities the Russian army is committing in Ukraine, what it did in Hungary and then in Czechoslovakia, and then in Afghanistan. The "soldiers" doing the raping, torturing, baby killing, etc, in Ukraine, and who did all of that in Hungary, Czechoslovakia, and Afghanistan are core Russian society and culture, if on the lower tiers of it. The NCOs and officers--including senior and field grade--who took part in that, encouraged it, outright ordered it, or merely looked the other way are also core Russian society and culture, in higher tiers than the privates. It's a society and culture that is beyond repair; it wants elimination.

    Regardless of any of the above, proportionality cannot be measured only in the tradeoff of immediate mission goal vs civilian casualty rate in achieving that goal. Proportionality can only be measured in the totality of the war and whether the attacked side wins or it loses and is conquered and enslaved. Especially when the attacker is a Russia; or a People's Republic of China, which is empirically genocidal; or an Iran, whose goal is the extermination of Israel and the US, regardless of the body count to itself or to Muslims globally. Against these, proportionality can be achieved only by the attacked nation(s) winning the war these three inflict so decisively that they can never attack anyone again. Which is the level of destruction that the Allies ultimately achieved vis-a-vis Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, and Fascist Japan.

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  8. Part 1/2: Apologies for the reverse order. My error.

    Tokyo firebombing, per Wikipedia, caused 88,00-97,000 deaths, from a raid of 282 bombers making it to the target, dropping 1665 tons of bombs.

    The Hiroshima nuclear bombing, per Wikipedia, caused 129,000-226,000 deaths, from a raid of one bomber (neglecting escorts) bombing and dropping one bomb.

    If the goal was civilian deaths, the nuclear bomb was, proximately, more efficient. If the goal was shocking the Japanese government into giving up the war, the bombing and that of Nagasaki combined were even more efficient: it prevented the necessity of an invasion, necessarily over the beaches (which the island hopping attacks had already demonstrated would be costly in bodies), and millions more casualties, including Japanese civilians.

    That was then.

    As I said earlier, we've learned better about the ability to cow a population as well as a more proper role of morality in warfighting.

    Today, two primary purposes for nuclear weapons, IMNSHO, are, one, to target the enemy's missile fields, his mass formations of more conventional surface forces, his boomer subs, and, two, to dig out command and control bunkers, including government bunkers, and missile silos. And one more purpose, to the extent this sort of target still exists, to explode nuclear warheads in the middle of bomber formations--which were the nuclear weapons I had, as the next to last in the chain of nuclear release/employment. It's also the case that nuclear weapons, for most of those purposes, only needed to come within some definition of "close."

    Today, many of those missions are being mitigated, or can be, with modern more conventional weapons. Bunker busters--MOABs--can dig deep, and increasingly accurate guided weapons are much more efficient at dealing with massed surface or air formations to the point that those forces' dispersion is without much effect. That's also the case for counter-space operations. It isn't even necessary for a high altitude nuclear burst to create a mass EMP effect.

    Additionally, cyber attacks are much more efficient than nuclear weapons in targeting a technological nation's infrastructure; isolating, if not freezing, government control from its military and civilian assets; and injecting erroneous data into enemy databases (often in advance of the main attack) and into enemy command and control centers and individual weapons sensors.

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  9. I don't know why Part 1/2 keeps disappearing.

    Here's another try, in two parts: 1a/2: Tokyo firebombing, per Wikipedia, caused 88,00-97,000 deaths, from a raid of 282 bombers making it to the target, dropping 1665 tons of bombs.

    The Hiroshima nuclear bombing, per Wikipedia, caused 129,000-226,000 deaths, from a raid of one bomber (neglecting escorts) bombing and dropping one bomb.

    If the goal was civilian deaths, the nuclear bomb was, proximately, more efficient. If the goal was shocking the Japanese government into giving up the war, the bombing and that of Nagasaki combined were even more efficient: it prevented the necessity of an invasion, necessarily over the beaches (which the island hopping attacks had already demonstrated would be costly in bodies), and millions more casualties, including Japanese civilians.

    That was then.

    As I said earlier, we've learned better about the ability to cow a population as well as a more proper role of morality in warfighting.

    Today, two primary purposes for nuclear weapons, IMNSHO, are, one, to target the enemy's missile fields, his mass formations of more conventional surface forces, his boomer subs, and, two, to dig out command and control bunkers, including government bunkers, and missile silos. And one more purpose, to the extent this sort of target still exists, to explode nuclear warheads in the middle of bomber formations--which were the nuclear weapons I had, as the next to last in the chain of nuclear release/employment. It's also the case that nuclear weapons, for most of those purposes, only needed to come within some definition of "close."

    Eric Hines

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  10. Part 1b/2: Today, many of those missions are being mitigated, or can be, with modern more conventional weapons. Bunker busters--MOABs--can dig deep, and increasingly accurate guided weapons are much more efficient at dealing with massed surface or air formations to the point that those forces' dispersion is without much effect. That's also the case for counter-space operations. It isn't even necessary for a high altitude nuclear burst to create a mass EMP effect.

    Additionally, cyber attacks are much more efficient than nuclear weapons in targeting a technological nation's infrastructure; isolating, if not freezing, government control from its military and civilian assets; and injecting erroneous data into enemy databases (often in advance of the main attack) and into enemy command and control centers and individual weapons sensors.

    There is one area where I think it still appropriate to target so-called civilians in particular. That is the barbarity that is Russia. It's only necessary to look at the atrocities the Russian army is committing in Ukraine, what it did in Hungary and then in Czechoslovakia, and then in Afghanistan. The "soldiers" doing the raping, torturing, baby killing, etc, in Ukraine, and who did all of that in Hungary, Czechoslovakia, and Afghanistan are core Russian society and culture, if on the lower tiers of it. The NCOs and officers--including senior and field grade--who took part in that, encouraged it, outright ordered it, or merely looked the other way are also core Russian society and culture, in higher tiers than the privates. It's a society and culture that is beyond repair; it wants elimination.

    Eric Hines

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  11. Part 1a/2: Blogger software is having trouble letting me post my whole response to Tom....

    Tokyo firebombing, per Wikipedia, caused 88,00-97,000 deaths, from a raid of 282 bombers making it to the target, dropping 1665 tons of bombs.

    The Hiroshima nuclear bombing, per Wikipedia, caused 129,000-226,000 deaths, from a raid of one bomber (neglecting escorts) bombing and dropping one bomb.

    If the goal was civilian deaths, the nuclear bomb was, proximately, more efficient. If the goal was shocking the Japanese government into giving up the war, the bombing and that of Nagasaki combined were even more efficient: it prevented the necessity of an invasion, necessarily over the beaches (which the island hopping attacks had already demonstrated would be costly in bodies), and millions more casualties, including Japanese civilians.

    That was then.

    As I said earlier, we've learned better about the ability to cow a population as well as a more proper role of morality in warfighting.

    Today, two primary purposes for nuclear weapons, IMNSHO, are, one, to target the enemy's missile fields, his mass formations of more conventional surface forces, his boomer subs, and, two, to dig out command and control bunkers, including government bunkers, and missile silos. And one more purpose, to the extent this sort of target still exists, to explode nuclear warheads in the middle of bomber formations--which were the nuclear weapons I had, as the next to last in the chain of nuclear release/employment. It's also the case that nuclear weapons, for most of those purposes, only needed to come within some definition of "close."

    Eric Hines

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  12. [sigh] Another try at Part 1a/2:

    Tokyo firebombing, per Wikipedia, caused 88,00-97,000 deaths, from a raid of 282 bombers making it to the target, dropping 1665 tons of bombs.

    The Hiroshima nuclear bombing, per Wikipedia, caused 129,000-226,000 deaths, from a raid of one bomber (neglecting escorts) bombing and dropping one bomb.

    If the goal was civilian deaths, the nuclear bomb was, proximately, more efficient. If the goal was shocking the Japanese government into giving up the war, the bombing and that of Nagasaki combined were even more efficient: it prevented the necessity of an invasion, necessarily over the beaches (which the island hopping attacks had already demonstrated would be costly in bodies), and millions more casualties, including Japanese civilians.

    That was then.

    As I said earlier, we've learned better about the ability to cow a population as well as a more proper role of morality in warfighting.

    Today, two primary purposes for nuclear weapons, IMNSHO, are, one, to target the enemy's missile fields, his mass formations of more conventional surface forces, his boomer subs, and, two, to dig out command and control bunkers, including government bunkers, and missile silos. And one more purpose, to the extent this sort of target still exists, to explode nuclear warheads in the middle of bomber formations--which were the nuclear weapons I had, as the next to last in the chain of nuclear release/employment. It's also the case that nuclear weapons, for most of those purposes, only needed to come within some definition of "close."

    Eric Hines

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  13. I give up, for tonight. The Blogger software is having trouble letting me publish my entire response to Tom; the remaining segment is the first part of all, currently termed Part 1a/2.

    I'll try again tomorrow.

    Eric Hines

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  14. Thanks, Eric. I'll check back.

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  15. I can see, in a dim sort of way, how one could convince themselves that the Palestinian cause was essentially correct and their depredations justified because they are an oppressed people who must be allowed nearly any tactic solely because they are not in power in other ways. One can pretend to put themselves in their minds and go "They are oppressed. What do you expect them to do? What would you do?"

    But the giveaway is that the American (and European) apologists for them don't stop there. It's not just an injustice, it's the worst injustice ever. Of a thousand peoples who might need our attention, a thousand causes in the world that America could possibly be on the wrong side of, this one is the worst, worst, worst. The sheer absurdity of that claim is enough to reveal that these people are not being rational, though they may use reasoning as a cover from time to time, in select places.

    If you look around, you will see this puzzling behavior everywhere. Down in Massachusetts, a number of middle-aged women are all het up about the "Free Karen Read" movement, led by a narcissistic male, now in jail for intimidating witnesses. You look at them and think "why this?" Of all the local causes which could use your attention, why this one?

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  16. Part 1a/2: Tokyo firebombing, per Wikipedia, caused 88,00-97,000 deaths, from a raid of 282 bombers making it to the target, dropping 1665 tons of bombs.

    The Hiroshima nuclear bombing, per Wikipedia, caused 129,000-226,000 deaths, from a raid of one bomber (neglecting escorts) bombing and dropping one bomb.

    If the goal was civilian deaths, the nuclear bomb was, proximately, more efficient. If the goal was shocking the Japanese government into giving up the war, the bombing and that of Nagasaki combined were even more efficient: it prevented the necessity of an invasion, necessarily over the beaches (which the island hopping attacks had already demonstrated would be costly in bodies), and millions more casualties, including Japanese civilians.

    That was then.

    Eric Hines

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  17. Part 1a/2: Tokyo firebombing, per Wikipedia, caused 88,00-97,000 deaths, from a raid of 282 bombers making it to the target, dropping 1665 tons of bombs.

    The Hiroshima nuclear bombing, per Wikipedia, caused 129,000-226,000 deaths, from a raid of one bomber (neglecting escorts) bombing and dropping one bomb.

    If the goal was civilian deaths, the nuclear bomb was, proximately, more efficient. If the goal was shocking the Japanese government into giving up the war, the bombing and that of Nagasaki combined were even more efficient: it prevented the necessity of an invasion, necessarily over the beaches (which the island hopping attacks had already demonstrated would be costly in bodies), and millions more casualties, including Japanese civilians.

    That was then.

    Eric Hines

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  18. Part 1a/2: Tokyo firebombing, per Wikipedia, caused 88,00-97,000 deaths, from a raid of 282 bombers making it to the target, dropping 1665 tons of bombs.

    The Hiroshima nuclear bombing, per Wikipedia, caused 129,000-226,000 deaths, from a raid of one bomber (neglecting escorts) bombing and dropping one bomb.

    If the goal was civilian deaths, the nuclear bomb was, proximately, more efficient. If the goal was shocking the Japanese government into giving up the war, the bombing and that of Nagasaki combined were even more efficient: it prevented the necessity of an invasion, necessarily over the beaches (which the island hopping attacks had already demonstrated would be costly in bodies), and millions more casualties, including Japanese civilians.

    That was then.

    Eric Hines

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  19. Finally got it in. As with last night, my posts were being accepted, but then disappearing when I refreshed the main posting page. Today, the same thing when I posted via Name/URL as I usually do, and when I posted as Anonymous. I had to post via my Google Account to get it to survive a page refresh.

    Go figure.

    Eric Hines

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