tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post8834184415262603574..comments2024-03-29T03:57:26.974-04:00Comments on Grim's Hall: Undeceptions: PlatoGrimhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07543082562999855432noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-51239197221093542972020-12-20T08:38:00.308-05:002020-12-20T08:38:00.308-05:00Plato is re-explaining Socrates by example, showin...<b>Plato is re-explaining Socrates by example, showing him to be an analogue for a Homeric hero involved in a kind of combat -- a duel of ideas, which he is winning like Odysseus won more practical combats, and in a way that makes him subject to the same criticisms as Odysseus.</b><br /><br />One of the traits of Socrates, which can be seen in both my own avatar here as well as Trump, is the Principle of the Straight line.<br /><br />People with this Aries type archetype, do not go around problems. Which is to say, they will criticize their own nation's problems directly and frankly, even if it makes them unpopular. And so long as they survive, at least, their points will have merit and be found to be popular amongst the young, sorta like Jordan Peterson's following and charisma. As a mentally ill person that is mostly functional, JP is perhaps a good analogy for many people looking for role models to overcome their personal problems in the days of man.<br /><br />Thus Socrates would have far more likely criticized both A and O, plus Homer. Which is why he wasn't necessarily popular, so to speak, to the Assembly. He is a wanderer, with no home to call his own, and no culture or national patriotism to constrain his internal impulses. <br /><br />Trump does this by calling the very election and fabric of America, into account and criticism. Whether he is attacker or defender, depends on your pov.<br /><br />The premise that A and O were national heroes and good or better... would in itself be first questioned. Are the wise truly wise? Are national heroes, truly national heroes? Is your Nation and Republic, Grim, actually alive or has it been dead long since?<br /><br />ymarsakarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-51894846297898775122020-12-20T08:32:22.757-05:002020-12-20T08:32:22.757-05:00I doubt Socrates liked to be portrayed in such a f...I doubt Socrates liked to be portrayed in such a fashion. For Socrates, the "Straight line" was a matter of principle, even unto death of the body.<br /><br />Plato believed Socrates should have chosen escape, the path of least resistance, as Plato prioritized Socrates' life. Socrates' daemon, his inner spirit and god, prioritized his mission, his Straight attitude towards life, and his integrity. Honor he had not, as Athens was human and humans are betrayers first of all, and sinners second.<br /><br />Plato's path of the subtle, the covert, or the "crooked" was not Socrates', although he chose to honor the memory of his mentor father as much as he could by making his opponents look stupid.<br /><br />Counter: We don't look stupid!<br /><br />Y: Not yet at least.ymarsakarnoreply@blogger.com