tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post6344176521535522926..comments2024-03-28T21:41:32.110-04:00Comments on Grim's Hall: A Libertarian Walks Into a BearGrimhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07543082562999855432noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-68435099108656097512021-02-03T09:36:01.191-05:002021-02-03T09:36:01.191-05:00More like childish than anything else; they though...More like childish than anything else; they thought they could eliminate government without picking up the slack themselves. They couldn't quite get over the belief that someone else was going to make things safe and provide for them. They also didn't try very hard to think through what could and should be done by voluntary associations.Texan99https://www.blogger.com/profile/10479561573903660086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-6451468931182077212021-02-02T22:12:43.944-05:002021-02-02T22:12:43.944-05:00This came up for discussion in the family over the...This came up for discussion in the family over the last year. I don't know if I posted on it. My impression is that they called themselves libertarian but are more like anarchists.Assistant Village Idiothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01978011985085795099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-83711137541940463692021-02-01T20:41:23.948-05:002021-02-01T20:41:23.948-05:00John Adams and Benjamin Franklin said much the sam...John Adams and Benjamin Franklin said much the same thing.<br /><br />Humans aren't naturally virtuous, but we can be made better than we start out, if we're given decent educations that include decent civics--and more so than a whole semester buried in the middle of the junior high years.<br /><br />That puts a premium on Conservatives reclaiming our education system, not just K-12, but well pre-K-16 or -18. And emphasizing more the community colleges and trade schools. Of course, the pre-K years belong to the parents, and the rest of the years belong to the parents' strong input and influence--but that takes better educated parents.<br /><br />This is a generational struggle, but a necessary one: no nation survives with and educational system that's more indoctrination than teaching thinking, STEM--and budgeting, finance, and economics--and civics.<br /><br />Eric HinesE Hineshttp://aplebessite.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-55680506152076318082021-02-01T16:13:52.157-05:002021-02-01T16:13:52.157-05:00I think we could shift to a radically different so...I think we could shift to a radically different sort of government, with much less power and much less of it in general. But there are problems that do have to get solved if people are going to live together, and if they're not solved by force they have to be solved some other way. Getting people to do their fair share voluntarily seems not to work very well either in communes or in libertarian communities. <br /><br />This is a problem with human nature that Plato and Aristotle try to solve by making the development of virtue so important: if you were virtuous, you <i>would</i> do the right thing because you wanted to and not because someone made you. But then the state ends up in the virtue-producing business, and a state that wants to make you virtuous is going to end up being much more involved in your life than is coherent with anything like American-style liberty. Grimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07543082562999855432noreply@blogger.com