tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post5997778290573834325..comments2024-03-28T21:41:32.110-04:00Comments on Grim's Hall: The difficulty of testing cognitionGrimhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07543082562999855432noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-47153473987813584262014-07-06T14:29:21.704-04:002014-07-06T14:29:21.704-04:00One dog had the habit of resting the fore limbs on...One dog had the habit of resting the fore limbs on a chair, when it was time for the humans to eat. Either it was going to get some scraps from its owner, or it would get attention.<br /><br />When it tried to do it to my chair, I first ignored him for a few seconds with a verbal command to get off. Then I looked directly at the target and pushed it out with index and middle finger. Dog tried again. I repeated the process. Dog then gave up and put its head down at the dining table's floor. I looked at dog, to see if it becomes hyperactive again, verifying that it has calmed down and is in a neutral behavior state, I gave it some meat off the table.<br /><br />While the dog got hyper again, it didn't try to jump on my chair any more.<br /><br />But the moment I get off the chair and someone else is there, like the owner, dog goes back to its neurotic habits once again.<br /><br />Most of these methods are also used to train slaves or servants. So long as people don't know how they are used, explicitly, nor study or accept how the Left uses them, many things in life are mysteriously incomplete.Ymar Sakarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-11491334585508344582014-07-06T00:09:33.106-04:002014-07-06T00:09:33.106-04:00One of our dogs has a bad habit of jumping up on p...One of our dogs has a bad habit of jumping up on people. Someone suggested dropping the arms and looking stiffly up and away. It does seem to work.<br /><br />I said "discourage" rather than "punish" because I meant to include any action by the trainer that signals displeasure. It might be nothing more than completely failing to interact, which is a way of withdrawing reward. But my impression is that good trainers get good results by being extremely consistent in that kind of withdrawal. Assuming a reaction is clear enough for the dog to be reasonably able to notice it, consistency seems to trump intensity of message.Texan99https://www.blogger.com/profile/10479561573903660086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-34850954080575848922014-07-05T22:42:25.095-04:002014-07-05T22:42:25.095-04:00This fellow suggests that cats don't respond t...<a href="http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=5962#more-5962" rel="nofollow">This fellow</a> suggests that cats don't respond to negative reinforcement at all well, though they do to positive. <br /><br /><i>But it also means that a bad behavior can become extinct if it stops drawing any reaction at all.</i><br /><br />One of my relatives is a part-time dog trainer, and tells me one technique she's learned is to look <i>away</i> from a dog that misbehaves...the idea being that if you're looking away, the dog starts to feel ostracized from the "pack," and will be eager to get back into your good graces. If that's right, and if I'm not garbling what I heard, ignoring the animal at the right time can be effective even if it's attuned to you. Joseph W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/09480728887840887200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-88103945216578179562014-07-05T17:23:35.708-04:002014-07-05T17:23:35.708-04:00...never fails to discourage the wrong one, even w...<i>...never fails to discourage the wrong one, even when tired or bored.</i><br /><br />Not necessarily! There's an alternative theory of dog training (which works even better with horses) based around what operant conditioning calls "extinction." Extinction in this context means that a trained behavior can disappear or decrease in frequency if you stop rewarding it. But it also means that a bad behavior can become extinct if it stops drawing any reaction at all. <br /><br />Many dogs and some horses are keenly attuned to you, and want to please you. With these animals, reward/punishment works well. Many horses and some dogs, though, are ornery. These animals are often best trained by rewarding the desired behavior, but showing absolutely no reaction to them doing what they know damn well is wrong. <br /><br />If they can't get your goat, they'll often lose interest.Grimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07543082562999855432noreply@blogger.com