tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post2654062501552608890..comments2024-03-28T21:41:32.110-04:00Comments on Grim's Hall: Trump and the Revenge of the ConstitutionGrimhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07543082562999855432noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-59983631129642554442016-03-16T14:09:44.652-04:002016-03-16T14:09:44.652-04:00Much bloodshed and civil was Cromwell held respons...Much bloodshed and civil was Cromwell held responsible for.<br /><br />Such did not sound very good/necessary to Americans some time past.Ymar Sakarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-54186168662919136392016-03-15T20:54:11.430-04:002016-03-15T20:54:11.430-04:00Cromwell never sounded better, I agree.Cromwell never sounded better, I agree.Grimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07543082562999855432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-7168965158179917872016-03-15T18:23:57.672-04:002016-03-15T18:23:57.672-04:00"Grim, that is an interesting point. However,...<i>"Grim, that is an interesting point. However, I am doubtful the majority of senators and representatives in congress possess the moral courage to make such a stand."</i><br /><br />He's already gotten endorsements from elected officials who I thought were the sort to stand up for what was right- Jeff Sessions comes to mind. I have to say, I think Joel has this right.<br /><br />When it comes to containment strategies, my preference is to avoid needing them in the first place, if possible. We shall see if Trump actually gets enough votes, and if he does not, then we needn't worry about him as President, though the future of the party is certainly of concern.<br /><br /><i>"Now here is a thought- if the elected leader is refused support from either party, and they oppose his efforts at every turn, what impetus would that lay on a desire to exceed constitutional bounds?"</i><br /><br />Excellent question, Raven.douglashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03241790925053112959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-15430563493804421532016-03-15T16:41:57.872-04:002016-03-15T16:41:57.872-04:00Ross Douthat published yesterday urging the RNC to...<i>Ross Douthat published yesterday urging the RNC to deny Trump the nomination by any means necessary — including a rule change before the convention, if need be, that frees up delegates to vote their conscience. (“A man so transparently unfit for office should not be placed before the American people as a candidate for president under any kind of imprimatur save his own.”)</i><br /><br />This is a fundamental misunderstanding of democracy, republican or popular. Unfit for office? Says who--our Know Betters? Should not be placed before the American people? He already will have been, and selected by a significant fraction of those eligible for the choice. Then it'll be up to the whole of the American people to make the choice, not a few establishment party elders bent on joining the rebels, from their side of the wall, on tearing down the party.<br /><br />Elise may be right about the party's fate from this season, but it's the voters' call on that, not an establishment's or a few rebels'.<br /><br />Eric HinesE Hineshttp://aplebessite.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-22693258394327835202016-03-15T14:05:57.686-04:002016-03-15T14:05:57.686-04:00Unless Trump is decisively outvoted in the upcomin...Unless Trump is decisively outvoted in the upcoming primaries, the Republican Party is going to break anyhow. Either Trump will get the nomination or the party administration will keep Trump from the nomination by ignoring what the voters have said. The party breaks in either case. The only question is which faction gets to keep the name "Republican Party".Elisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06594477709835944165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-79696807131651796922016-03-15T12:05:43.642-04:002016-03-15T12:05:43.642-04:00Grim, that is an interesting point. However, I am...Grim, that is an interesting point. However, I am doubtful the majority of senators and representatives in congress possess the moral courage to make such a stand. I am afraid most on the Republican side will simply get in line with their new master. I think Cromwell's statement upon the dismissal of the Rump Parliament accurately describes many of them.<br /><br />"Ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government. <br /><br />Ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money.<br /><br />Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? <br /><br />Ye have no more religion than my horse. Gold is your God. Which of you have not bartered your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth? <br /><br />Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defiled this sacred place, and turned the Lord's temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? <br /><br />Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation. You were deputed here by the people to get grievances redressed, are yourselves become the greatest grievance. <br /><br /> Your country therefore calls upon me to cleanse this Augean stable, by putting a final period to your iniquitous proceedings in this House; and which by God's help, and the strength he has given me, I am now come to do.<br /><br />I command ye therefore, upon the peril of your lives, to depart immediately out of this place.<br /><br />Go, get you out! Make haste! Ye venal slaves be gone! So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors. <br /><br />In the name of God, go!"<br /><br />Joel Leggetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16588696436907032078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-69736338512721216062016-03-15T11:51:01.995-04:002016-03-15T11:51:01.995-04:00Excellent point, which gives me some hope for the ...Excellent point, which gives me some hope for the future.<br /><br />I still do not trust Donald Trump, mainly because I do not buy his promise in his speeches to do what "you" want. Who is "you," and how do we know what "you" want, particularly if he excludes the advice of every political group? Our mechanism for conveying our wishes is through our political parties, so if he vows not to pay attention to them, he is essentially promising to do whatever he darn well pleases.<br /><br />Unfortunately, he is saying things that need to be said, and nobody else seems capable of doing so at this time. <br /><br />That both Houses of Congress will be primed to act as a brake on anything too outlandish is reassuring.<br /><br />It's going to be another case of voting for the least worst candidate, again.<br /><br />Valerie<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-67812609168673372692016-03-15T11:49:01.885-04:002016-03-15T11:49:01.885-04:00"The absence of party loyalty to Trump would ...<i> "The absence of party loyalty to Trump would allow the Constitutional controls on the President to function as designed for a change. "</i><br /><br /> That is putting it mildly.<br /><br /> It would be the first time in memory (or perhaps history)a President tried to conduct his duties with overt hostility on both sides of the aisle. The entire Washington apparatus would be against him, in detail. How could he persuade the senate to confirm ANY appointment? <br /><br /> Now here is a thought- if the elected leader is refused support from either party, and they oppose his efforts at every turn, what impetus would that lay on a desire to exceed constitutional bounds?<br /> <br /> <br /><br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> ravennoreply@blogger.com