tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post2200071540352380947..comments2024-03-28T00:01:43.037-04:00Comments on Grim's Hall: An Analysis of the Mass Shooting ProblemGrimhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07543082562999855432noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-42141035986009418902012-07-24T23:29:47.956-04:002012-07-24T23:29:47.956-04:00Agreed, and linked here: http://bobagard.blogspot....Agreed, and linked here: http://bobagard.blogspot.com/2012/07/a-disarmed-citizenry-is-much-more.htmlBob's Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11971565970366294930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-2959629865681110942012-07-22T16:22:01.534-04:002012-07-22T16:22:01.534-04:00Anyone peeking though a window in one of our garag...Anyone peeking though a window in one of our garage doors will see on the opposite wall a door with a B-27 center punched at 25 yards with a couple of vents to the noggin. <br />--A Walkin' Boss .38 cal production. <br /><br />That target is probably 15-20 years old now and from the time when she first told me she wanted to learn to be a pistolero.bthunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15789441349826379510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-53338800006313889262012-07-22T16:01:56.832-04:002012-07-22T16:01:56.832-04:00When we lived in a townhouse in the city, we used ...When we lived in a townhouse in the city, we used to post a used silhouette target on the wall in view of the sliding glass door. We never did have a break-in.Grimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07543082562999855432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-72164711593843975502012-07-22T11:41:44.722-04:002012-07-22T11:41:44.722-04:00""Notice to Public: All law-abiding citi...<i>""Notice to Public: All law-abiding citizens on these premises have been disarmed. Unstable nut-cases, carry on without fear of timely retaliation.""</i><br /><br />Heheh... The advertising is not quite that verbose, but the variants of the <i>No Firearms Allowed On Premises</i> signs make the same statement.<br /><br />My favorite <i>Attention Criminals</i> sign is <a href="http://obtuseobserver.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/their-house-is-not-armed.jpg" rel="nofollow"> this one</a>, followed closely by <a href="http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61K1Phx4qHL._SL500_AA300_.jpg" rel="nofollow"> this one</a>.bthunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15789441349826379510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-66703241507468288052012-07-22T10:24:14.865-04:002012-07-22T10:24:14.865-04:00"Notice to Public: All law-abiding citizens ..."Notice to Public: All law-abiding citizens on these premises have been disarmed. Unstable nut-cases, carry on without fear of timely retaliation."Texan99https://www.blogger.com/profile/10479561573903660086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-7326049389844946822012-07-22T10:06:13.394-04:002012-07-22T10:06:13.394-04:00To continue with the no valid reason to be prepare...To continue with the <i>no valid reason to be prepared to defend oneself</i> theme Miss LB shared, I read that the movie theater had/has a no firearms policy.<br /><br /><br />If true, that means the attendees with CCW permits and those in the habit of carrying all the time were prohibited from doing so on the theater's private property. The lawfully armed and typically law abiding citizen will usually either comply with a property owner request or avoid that property altogether. So we have yet another firearms free aka <i>target rich</i> environment, tailor made, advertised as such, and readily available for the random, cowardly whack-job intent on murdering the defenseless to exploit.<br /><br />Given my diminished ability to move at pace any more rapid than a middlin' hobble, I don't go to such places. I don't run nor do I care much for playin' possum with fingers crossed.bthunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15789441349826379510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-76844084259471118222012-07-22T01:07:53.002-04:002012-07-22T01:07:53.002-04:00I read something Friday that indicated that while ...I read something Friday that indicated that while CO generally has lax gun laws, Aurora and neighboring Denver do not: neither jurisdiction views "personal protection" as a valid reason to issue a CHL. If this is true, that may be a contributing factor to why none of the movie-goers were armed...Miss Ladybughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05036711338399907180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-85623377436038142172012-07-21T20:41:46.454-04:002012-07-21T20:41:46.454-04:00Those guys are amateurs. Down Georgia way, that f...Those guys are amateurs. Down Georgia way, <a href="http://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2010/title-16/chapter-11/article-2/16-11-30/" rel="nofollow">that falls under the riot law</a>. Note the definition includes "any other act [done] in a violent and tumultuous manner." And the crowd size, if you want to avoid prosecution, is limited to less than two.Grimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07543082562999855432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-72183975630138691102012-07-21T12:09:31.878-04:002012-07-21T12:09:31.878-04:00If nothing else, it made him more conspicuous.
Ta...<i> If nothing else, it made him more conspicuous.</i><br /><br />Target recognition. He was seen right off the bat, but he was mistaken as part of the show's opening. <br /><br /><i>Isn't there something we can outlaw that would make everyone perfectly safe at all times?</i><br /><br />You bet--clothing and bathing. Guaranteed to cut down on crowd size. Oh, and formally limiting <a href="http://tribstar.com/news/x1818104466/State-limits-crowd-size-inside-Capitol" rel="nofollow"> crowd size</a> that can form--for one's own good, now, in the new no-hygiene environment.<br /><br />Eric HinesE Hineshttp://aplebessite.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-52106413639005324912012-07-21T11:27:24.305-04:002012-07-21T11:27:24.305-04:00Well, that's right -- at least make them pay t...Well, that's right -- at least make them pay the price. It might make them quite conspicuous. If you've got to wear body armor and a gas mask to carry out these attacks, that's cutting into your carrying weight for ammo, too.Grimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07543082562999855432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-21374991097682285502012-07-21T10:53:10.554-04:002012-07-21T10:53:10.554-04:00Yes, strange that no one is arguing the obvious so...Yes, strange that no one is arguing the obvious solution: outlaw body armor and gas masks. (Isn't there something we can outlaw that would make everyone perfectly safe at all times? I had a neighbor argue to me yesterday that the rational response was for citizens to avoid midnight movies.)<br /><br />I, too, wish there had been more audience members prepared to return fire (somebody might have gotten close enough for a head shot), and I hope that this jerk's decision to wear body armor and use gas was a calculated response to his fear of an armed response. If nothing else, it made him more conspicuous. With a little luck, he might have been seen and stopped in time.Texan99https://www.blogger.com/profile/10479561573903660086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-61958024735970339862012-07-21T10:41:06.827-04:002012-07-21T10:41:06.827-04:00First, a tangent: It's a little surprising whe...First, a tangent: <i>It's a little surprising when a mass shooting gets a lot of attention these days....</i><br /><br />Not to me, not when, as ABC's Brian Ross has amply demonstrated, there's political hay to be made from these events. And not with employers of these...persons...actively condoning such political hay-making--Ross is, after all, still employed by ABC today.<br /><br /><i>...a former Marine who happened to take his pistol to the movies that night could have stopped the attack earlier.</i><br /><br />Without disputing your point, which in general is valid, that armed marine would have had a very difficult time in the present case. The killer was much more heavily armored even than a SWAT member. Furthermore, the killer prepped his battlefield with a gas attack before entering and proceeding. That marine likely would not have had his own gas mask.<br /><br />Even with Colorado's lax gun laws (I use that term appreciatively), armed defenders would have had a more difficult time. Still an armed response might will have reduced the magnitude of the mayhem. And to your point, it seems to me that the killer anticipated an armed response in that state of lax gun laws--hence the pre-battle shaping and the personal body armor.<br /><br />It's always going to be an arms race. However, I'd rather begin from an armed baseline than from a naked one.<br /><br />Another point: <i>The kind of mind that chooses this path is capable of worse.</i> and <i>Firearms...take longer to do their work, and you have to be right there operating them in person.</i><br /><br />That's often the point though: these particular killers need to be on scene, they need to watch the results, they need to be sure their victims are feeling the pain. I think the bombing mass killer is a different breed of killer than is the shot-by-shot mass killer, even if the shooter is just spraying bullets.<br /><br />Eric HinesE Hineshttp://aplebessite.comnoreply@blogger.com