tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post1211697274508067648..comments2024-03-29T03:57:26.974-04:00Comments on Grim's Hall: IncoherenceGrimhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07543082562999855432noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-37078769186178265802017-01-25T13:10:03.685-05:002017-01-25T13:10:03.685-05:00Diff between astroturf and grassroots is the forme...Diff between astroturf and grassroots is the former has the money and the latter has the manpower. Combine the two and you get something Soros can buy out and approve of.<br /><br />Logistics makes the critical difference as usual. There is also a subtle but important shift in conservative grassroots movements, that are older than the TP. Which I won't mention for now.Ymar Sakarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-78717727511740908112017-01-25T09:46:07.057-05:002017-01-25T09:46:07.057-05:00Up-twinkles and down-twinkles. You just don't...Up-twinkles and down-twinkles. You just don't understand. I. Can't. Even. Where do I even start.Texan99https://www.blogger.com/profile/10479561573903660086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-28365905639178183672017-01-25T05:18:51.065-05:002017-01-25T05:18:51.065-05:00OMG. CNN literally had a segment today with someo...OMG. CNN literally had a segment today with someone at the rally asking people what it was about. They presented it like the answers were good, but it was all the same non-sensical drivel that goes nowhere like you'd expect. It's all- ALL- emotion, I tell you. I don't even speak their language.douglashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03241790925053112959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-37511264446364054712017-01-23T19:12:43.321-05:002017-01-23T19:12:43.321-05:00But Coffee Party was astroturfed. I take this to ...But Coffee Party was astroturfed. I take this to be genuine.<br /><br />I'm willing to grant that this group is no more incoherent than many early Tea Party rallies, but it remains to be seen whether anyone will do a good job channeling the energy into the only place it ultimately will make any difference, which is bringing new candidates into races. Squawking doesn't matter unless the office-holders you're squawking at genuinely fear being voted out of office. They've got a great opportunity here, because what are the odds that the Republicans, acting as a majority party with no fear of a veto, won't infuriate everyone in short order? We poke fun at Trump, but I think he knows how to sell an agenda. These clowns in Congress seem utterly incapable of it.Texan99https://www.blogger.com/profile/10479561573903660086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-52593137529050356212017-01-23T17:18:59.966-05:002017-01-23T17:18:59.966-05:00It now appears that as the Trump presidency dawns,...<i>It now appears that as the Trump presidency dawns, angry liberals are building something akin to the Tea Party movement. </i><br /><br />So what else is new? There has been at least one previous attempt at building a left wing equivalent of the Tea Party movement. I refer you to <a href="https://www.google.com/#q=coffee+party+usa" rel="nofollow">Google search: coffee party USA.</a>Gringonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-61742688439806395902017-01-23T14:15:18.918-05:002017-01-23T14:15:18.918-05:00It is a bit surprising to see people deciding to r...It is a bit surprising to see people deciding to resist Trumpian patriarchy by adopting the American flag as a <i>hijab</i>, at the suggestion of an advocate of Islamist patriarchy. But hey, the whole idea of Tex's post was that they weren't yet coherent.Grimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07543082562999855432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-45142534330847650212017-01-23T13:37:41.802-05:002017-01-23T13:37:41.802-05:00Will they? With the MSM still firmly in their cam...Will they? With the MSM still firmly in their camp, they'll continue to be portrayed as righteous and wearing the white hats. Who will call them to argue anything? They may not oppose some things Trump does, but they'll oppose him in general no less fervently. He's the bogeyman come to life for them (of course, so is any Republican who's successful). They certainly won't have to defend themselves from bogus attacks of being depicted as racist, anti-Semitic, or violent as the Tea Party was, even if they actually are (Linda Sarsour).douglashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03241790925053112959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-92068427581167555052017-01-23T10:45:25.782-05:002017-01-23T10:45:25.782-05:00The TEA Party has a structural advantage, though, ...The TEA Party has a structural advantage, though, in that they mostly want to stop the government from doing things -- especially new things, but also many existing things it really shouldn't be doing. Opposing everything Obama wanted was a good first step on that project. They were always going to oppose any new thing anyway. <br /><br />This new movement, whatever it will be, can get part of that benefit because they can reflexively oppose any attempts by Trump to shrink or dissolve Federal power. They'll have a lot more trouble falling in on mere reflexive opposition to his positive program, e.g., the infrastructure bills. Trump's program isn't the TEA Party program: it's not a Tenther project of shrinking the Federal government to its Constitutional functions. If it were, they could just oppose him all the time. Instead, he's got a big positive agenda that they're going to have to argue against.Grimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07543082562999855432noreply@blogger.com