tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post8651080754348654505..comments2024-03-18T22:21:01.033-04:00Comments on Grim's Hall: Trying to Sort out the Numbers on WisconsinGrimhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07543082562999855432noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-12949927508144309002012-06-07T13:28:21.542-04:002012-06-07T13:28:21.542-04:00Walker DID have more money than Barrett....
And O...<i>Walker DID have more money than Barrett....</i><br /><br />And Obama had more money than McCain, but that was the natural order of the universe.<br /><br />Eric HinesE Hineshttp://aplebessite.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-28495374674501399992012-06-07T08:28:15.983-04:002012-06-07T08:28:15.983-04:00MacIver is solid. Conservative, but they don'...MacIver is solid. Conservative, but they don't make stuff up. The figures are largely gleaned from Wisconsin's Government Accountability Board (the agency which oversees elections, contributions, etc.)<br /><br />Walker DID have more money than Barrett--but then, Barrett ran a contested primary, and some (D) money was given to his opponent, Ms. Falk.Dad29https://www.blogger.com/profile/08554276286736923821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-3995729754231963622012-06-07T05:46:19.741-04:002012-06-07T05:46:19.741-04:00I should add that I really have no idea who the Ma...I should add that I really have no idea who the MacIver institute are, or how reliable they are, but the details of the chart at least indicate a depth of information that looks like there was actual research behind it.douglashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17261739259295914188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-60833436899753722342012-06-07T05:44:56.515-04:002012-06-07T05:44:56.515-04:00The MacIver institute has a nice chart of the path...The <a href="http://www.maciverinstitute.com/2012/06/big-labor-recall-total-to-exceed-20-million/" rel="nofollow">MacIver institute has a nice chart</a> of the path of Big Labor's money into the election (in many cases through PACs or campaigns), and where it was targeted. Some of the numbers you're mentioning may only include money spent on targeting Walker, some may include money spent targeting all the recall candidates, so it could be more confusing still. I suppose if there were still any real reporters out there, we'd eventually find out. All we seem to have now are propagandists.douglashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17261739259295914188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-73819729981983014952012-06-06T23:20:31.226-04:002012-06-06T23:20:31.226-04:00The Left in aggregate spent FAR more than $4 milli...The Left in aggregate spent FAR more than $4 million.<br /><br />It's estimated that labor poured around $28 million into the race.Dad29https://www.blogger.com/profile/08554276286736923821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-66324656846731328132012-06-06T20:59:33.786-04:002012-06-06T20:59:33.786-04:00Anyway, I sent in my pittance, to swell the ranks ...Anyway, I sent in my pittance, to swell the ranks of the outside-agitator money. And very happy to do it I was, too.Texan99https://www.blogger.com/profile/10479561573903660086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-84677947494912264142012-06-06T18:14:18.779-04:002012-06-06T18:14:18.779-04:00Good point, Mr. Hines. We've got data on the ...Good point, Mr. Hines. We've got data on the size of the pot, but none on the size of the players' purses. At least in poker, that makes a big difference in judging the outcome of a hand.Grimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07543082562999855432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-55238668104140255112012-06-06T18:02:18.302-04:002012-06-06T18:02:18.302-04:00after reflecting on what you saw for a good while....<i>after reflecting on what you saw for a good while...</i><br /><br />Who you gonna believe--them, or your lying eyes?<br /><br />I'd also be interested in what those numbers are relative to the coffers available. How much, for instance, do those $5.5M in union money or $21M in Big Labor money represent compared to the money unions and Big Labor had/have available to spend? There'd be an important lesson there if the unions/BL had gone all in and still lost. Especially for the reform side, as reformers work to curtail union/labor access to non-union employees' money.<br /><br />Though that lesson would be closely allied with the lesson that money talks.<br /><br /><br /><br />Eric HinesE Hineshttp://aplebessite.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-4248399588269365342012-06-06T17:00:56.328-04:002012-06-06T17:00:56.328-04:00The primary assumption is that lessons will be lea...The primary assumption is that lessons will be learned. Depending on the students, I'm not sure I'd bet they would.<br /><br />WRT the three different stories, I'm left with the recollection of another piece of advice pappy use to share. <i>Believe none of what you hear, and only a reasonable amount of what you see, <b>after reflecting on what you saw for a good while</b></i>...bthunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15789441349826379510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-51764911840750417822012-06-06T15:41:56.371-04:002012-06-06T15:41:56.371-04:00Well, it's on them if they learn the wrong les...Well, it's on them if they learn the wrong lesson from it. If what they take away is that they only lost because of a vast spending advantage, they won't make the necessary course corrections to offer a better pitch at the ballot box next time. If they realize that the spending was a lot closer, they'll learn a different lesson. If they realize (as may be the case) that they actually out-spent the Republicans, it's a different lesson still.<br /><br />It doesn't look like there was a vast Republican advantage in spending; but there may have been one, or none particularly, or even a deficit. Anyone trying to map out lessons-learned from this encounter needs to know which it was.Grimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07543082562999855432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-55768470136090010242012-06-06T15:24:31.213-04:002012-06-06T15:24:31.213-04:00The amount of money spent is definitely subject to...The amount of money spent is definitely subject to debate. A number of Barrett supporters were claiming that the Walker/Barrett money spent was <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFg1VMXYZJg" rel="nofollow">$34 million versus $4 million</a>, which doesn't sound believable to me. After all, Big Labor has some resources. But they believe it. The money that was spent on the Recall Petitioning and the primaries should also be taken into account.Gringonoreply@blogger.com