tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post8629795932128168370..comments2024-03-28T16:58:17.705-04:00Comments on Grim's Hall: Woah!Grimhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07543082562999855432noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-52716856416448517452014-11-25T15:42:25.406-05:002014-11-25T15:42:25.406-05:00Hussein Obola's type selling slaves to the Isl...Hussein Obola's type selling slaves to the Islamic Jihad... fitting.Ymar Sakarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-53923820068665778232014-11-24T23:11:03.891-05:002014-11-24T23:11:03.891-05:00Interesting. They're right about one point: ...Interesting. They're right about one point: there are not large black populations in Iran or Saudi Arabia, indicating that their practices were extremely brutal. Grimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07543082562999855432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-83010675359930518052014-11-24T22:54:37.466-05:002014-11-24T22:54:37.466-05:00http://aconservativelesbian.com/2009/07/13/obamas-...http://aconservativelesbian.com/2009/07/13/obamas-kenyan-ancestors-sold-slaves/<br /><br />I don't think I made clear that I didn't think Obama's ancestors sold slaves to the Americas, I think only the French may have exported slaves out of Madagascar to the Caribbean. East African slaves went to the middle east. Eric Blairnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-17838695324403832582014-11-24T16:20:36.852-05:002014-11-24T16:20:36.852-05:00My understanding, which this article appears to co...My understanding, which <a href="http://www.ibtimes.com/where-africa-did-slaves-come-286429" rel="nofollow">this article</a> appears to confirm, is that most slaves came from West Africa (for the logical reason that the Western coast was closest to the American markets). Africa is huge, much bigger than it looks on a Mercator projection map: sailing around it to the other side is not an easy venture.<br /><br />So, were Kenyans slavers? Maybe not. Plausibly they weren't involved in the trade at all, neither as victims nor collaborators nor participants. Or if they were, it wasn't in the <a href="http://discoveringbristol.org.uk/slavery/routes/places-involved/east-indies/east-african-slave-trade/" rel="nofollow">Transatlantic but the Eastern</a> trade.Grimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07543082562999855432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-65790701053647852942014-11-24T15:08:44.826-05:002014-11-24T15:08:44.826-05:00The claim is logical even if not documented.
Ob...The claim is logical even if not documented. <br /><br />Obama's nearest African ancestor was actually from Africa, not the American South. His ancestors of 150 years or so back could NOT have been taken as slaves, they MUST have been the ones who remained in Africa, either (a) escaping slavers (b) collaborating with slavers or (c) being slavers. <br /><br />To whatever extent European Americans are guilty of perpetrating slavery even if their ancestors were from the Northern US, (even, say Quakers or Wilberforce-ian abolitionists), Africans and African Americans who were in categories (a) and (b) above are guilty to the same extent. If someone escaped slavery, someone else, an African peer, suffered in his place. If someone turned a blind eye to slavery, but did not participate, he allowed his peers to suffer. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-20408117419024581562014-11-24T12:50:16.854-05:002014-11-24T12:50:16.854-05:00That seems fair. It strikes me as a shocking thin...That seems fair. It strikes me as a shocking thing to say, even as a rhetorical device.Grimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07543082562999855432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-46891159459978335272014-11-24T12:46:16.941-05:002014-11-24T12:46:16.941-05:00Eh, call me old fashioned, but if someone makes a ...Eh, call me old fashioned, but if someone makes a surprising statement and claims it as fact, it's incumbent on the speaker/writer to prove their claims, not on the listener/reader to prove it for them.MikeDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08116809134355184859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-12181940175201965262014-11-24T12:10:53.475-05:002014-11-24T12:10:53.475-05:00I think that is based on his father's social c...I think that is based on his father's social class and tribe in Kenya, and what they were doing in the 19th century. <br /><br />Just a guess, but that is where I would start looking. Eric Blairnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-75364437953250222242014-11-23T20:08:21.294-05:002014-11-23T20:08:21.294-05:00Well, that's the interesting part. Is there e...Well, that's the interesting part. Is there evidence that he is descended from slavers on his father's side? That's an aggressive claim. Grimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07543082562999855432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-67654606505478853032014-11-23T19:56:25.208-05:002014-11-23T19:56:25.208-05:00Ummmm.....where have you been the last 7 years? I ...Ummmm.....where have you been the last 7 years? I saw a few black commentators saying this in 2008, part of the Obama isn't really black enough etc etc...His mother's side of the family had slave owners in it, and, well, I couldn't say anything about his father's side of the family, but I do know that the British spent time and trouble suppressing the slave trade in East Africa in the 19th century, to include what is now Kenya, so I suppose it is possible. <br /><br /> Eric Blairnoreply@blogger.com