tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post7568825310488872167..comments2024-03-28T00:01:43.037-04:00Comments on Grim's Hall: This Doesn't Strike Me As A DilemmaGrimhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07543082562999855432noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-49823887836876421892015-08-15T17:55:33.217-04:002015-08-15T17:55:33.217-04:00If, G-d forbid, I were in that situation, dying in...If, G-d forbid, I were in that situation, dying in the strike that took out my captors would be absolutely fine with me. Justice would be served, mercy granted to those whom the Most High chooses to grant mercy, and the bad guys could not use me as a bargaining toy to extort goods and to torment my friends and family with.<br /><br />LittleRed1Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-68691669925691813512015-08-15T11:12:10.798-04:002015-08-15T11:12:10.798-04:00I wasn't familiar with Aquinas's reasoning...I wasn't familiar with Aquinas's reasoning on this. Being able to legitimately hope for a miracle is an interesting filter.<br /><br />I agree with what the other commenters have said. One more filter we could use is, what would the hostage want?<br /><br />Certainly, she would want to be rescued if that were possible, but it isn't. So, would she want to continue this way, or would she be OK with dying in the bombing that killed her tormentor?<br /><br />There's no way to know, of course, but if I were in her situation, I would be happy to die in the strike that took out al-Baghdadi.Tomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-7291993215772942872015-08-14T23:12:24.690-04:002015-08-14T23:12:24.690-04:00I agree with Valerie, if I understand her thinking...I agree with Valerie, if I understand her thinking correctly. I would not let the hostage's presence stop me from bombing the place if that made tactical sense - assuming there's some reason I can't or shouldn't mount a rescue instead - but I certainly wouldn't bomb it <i>because</i> the hostage is being held there.<br /><br />(Also, IIRC, the issue with FDR was not bombing the camps; it was bombing the railroads leading to the camps. The idea being to prevent more victims from being brought there, not to kill the victims to "put them out of their misery". That one's not even close.)jaedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03328666344764784829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-1809891238992849672015-08-14T23:11:07.337-04:002015-08-14T23:11:07.337-04:00The interest on this note is compounding rather ra...The interest on this note is compounding rather rapidly. It may be hard to pay off in a year or two. In his rush to avoid conflict, the zero is guaranteeing the final outcome will be beyond our image of "war".ravennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-62145042923895544012015-08-14T20:43:40.144-04:002015-08-14T20:43:40.144-04:00The person receiving the information 1) does not k...The person receiving the information 1) does not know if she is still alive, or 2) who's next. But we have a very good idea of how they act, given the opportunity.<br /><br />Killing them deprives them of their next victims. I would go for what is possible, but I would not avoid a strike because of who they have captured. That way multiplies the damage.<br /><br />ValerieAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-22500800076768249022015-08-14T18:29:28.290-04:002015-08-14T18:29:28.290-04:00It strikes me as differing only in degree with ran...It strikes me as differing only in degree with ransoming the victim.<br /><br />The ransom does nothing but expose the victim as a profit center for repeated kidnappings, and it exposes many other innocents to the crime, since the crime so plainly pays.<br /><br />It also makes the ransom payer an accessory to the current kidnapping--and an accessory to any raping or killing of the victim in the course of the kidnap--and an active contributor to any subsequent kidnappings which the henchman the payer rewarded might carry out.<br /><br />Bomb the site. Release the lady from her torture, or set her free with the associated miracle. The only downside is that [al-Baghdadi], dying in the bombing, will be seen by his henchmen as a martyr, rather than taking him alive, and letting him die of old age in an iron cage.<br /><br />Eric HinesE Hineshttp://aplebessite.comnoreply@blogger.com