tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post6170654600412887977..comments2024-03-29T03:57:26.974-04:00Comments on Grim's Hall: ReparationsGrimhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07543082562999855432noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-8222094293455534102019-02-25T22:59:50.023-05:002019-02-25T22:59:50.023-05:00Hey, I'm a woman. I'm owed the big bucks....Hey, I'm a woman. I'm owed the big bucks.<br />Texan99https://www.blogger.com/profile/10479561573903660086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-36584402455592912512019-02-25T22:24:27.539-05:002019-02-25T22:24:27.539-05:00Southern "poor whites" were subjected to...Southern "poor whites" were subjected to very low wages for generations due to the labor market conditions created by slavery. So shouldn't their descendants get reparations, too?David Fosterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15464681514800720063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-10426965203791850642019-02-25T17:15:37.701-05:002019-02-25T17:15:37.701-05:00If we are going to talk about reparations, we also...If we are going to talk about reparations, we also have to discuss the down payment in blood and treasure already paid by the perps, as well as the contribution by the individuals and families that set out to right this wrong. Then we need to talk about the long-term suffering of the populace, afterward.<br /><br />I dislike this model of making the innocent pay for the guilty via reparations after a war. We allowed the French to pull this against the Germans after WWI, and it sowed the seeds of more bloodshed. We have seen over and over in other countries how the preservation of hostilities across generations is a serious mistake.<br /><br />I prefer the American model, where the laws got changed, complete with multiple Amendments to our Constitution, voting rights laws and the Civil Rights Act. Fix the problems going forward, and settle the matter. <br /><br />Valerie<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-44349259362626525652019-02-24T07:32:00.748-05:002019-02-24T07:32:00.748-05:00Morminism is still owed reparations from MIssouri ...Morminism is still owed reparations from MIssouri and the US feds.<br /><br />This is a never ending cash cow, which is why Demoncrats like it. Makes it easy to get everyone vs everyone. I was reading the journals and religious sermons of these "Mormons" back in the Utah War of 1857. Quite a different history story than the official Northern and Southern texts.Ymarsakarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-29808123099291749072019-02-22T20:10:05.431-05:002019-02-22T20:10:05.431-05:00Two of mine helped Sherman burn Atlanta; others di...Two of mine helped Sherman burn Atlanta; others did other things. But the harder case is those who -- say -- came to America in 1919, and none of their families were ever even involved in this. <br /><br />You can say it the way AVI does: it's really America that owes the debt, and so we all pay into it who pay America's way (indeed, everyone who pays taxes does -- including wealthier black Americans). But I think many people will think it unjust, for many reasons. Grimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07543082562999855432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-18103273443887000852019-02-22T19:14:59.730-05:002019-02-22T19:14:59.730-05:00Two of my ancestors died in the Civil War fighting...Two of my ancestors died in the Civil War fighting for the Union. Why do I owe anything?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06912128375096894529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-36878181963690922452019-02-22T15:22:59.298-05:002019-02-22T15:22:59.298-05:00Let's send the bill to everyone who is alive t...<i>Let's send the bill to everyone who is alive today, payable to everyone who is alive today.</i><br /><br />I'm not even supportive of this--it legitimizes the concept of this reparation thing.<br /><br />Eric HinesE Hineshttp://aplebessite.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-17975737804740254502019-02-22T11:06:05.340-05:002019-02-22T11:06:05.340-05:00Let's send the bill to everyone who is alive t...Let's send the bill to everyone who is alive today, payable to everyone who is alive today. To keep things simple, we'll calculate it per capita.<br /><br />OK. Done.Texan99https://www.blogger.com/profile/10479561573903660086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-57263758474322162482019-02-22T08:47:22.231-05:002019-02-22T08:47:22.231-05:00I'd be in favor of reparations, if the bill in...I'd be in favor of reparations, if the bill included and adjustment derived by applying the same calculation for what it cost to fight the Civil War.Christopher Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00396671757183163171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-89967139784745920892019-02-22T08:22:20.943-05:002019-02-22T08:22:20.943-05:0090% of those reparations would have to be paid by ...90% of those reparations would have to be paid by the Demoncrat party or its donors... good luck with that.<br /><br />In reality, it will be another money laundering scheme.Ymarsakarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-27259179817774670022019-02-21T23:03:27.996-05:002019-02-21T23:03:27.996-05:00It also bypasses that many black people have a sla...<i>It also bypasses that many black people have a slaveowner in their ancestry.</i><br /><br />It also bypasses those who sold them into slavery in the first place, and those who hunted down the victims and produced them to those original sellers. Why should these original sinners be excused from the reparations bill?<br /><br />It's wide net, as well as one that reaches back more than three millions of years.<br /><br />Eric HinesE Hineshttp://aplabessite.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-40544512880679618412019-02-21T22:33:55.309-05:002019-02-21T22:33:55.309-05:00I am not fond of the idea, but let's keep up t...I am not fond of the idea, but let's keep up the discussion. There are interesting things here.<br /><br />We get out of the blaming white people part of it if we subsume everything as being owed by "America," which is of course composed of diverse sorts. As for those whose ancestors came later, they would be taking on the debt because they chose to come to a place who had done these things. Same also for those whose ancestors fought to free the slaves, though they might feel they deserve some claim. You were part of this simply by citizenship, even if you opposed it bitterly. One odd irony is that wealthy black people would be paying into the system, because they are rich Americans. Heck, so would middle-class and even poor black people, because they are also part of "America." We wouldn't have to compute how much America made off each slave, it would simply be based on the damages of a person being brought into slavery. This is also sensible, as no one seems to have made much off slavery anyway. The idea that America got rich because of slave labor is simply false. One might make a case for in in Maryland and Delaware, or even indirectly in those northern businesses that relied on cheap agricultural goods from the south and the subsequent division of labor, but in Mississippi, slaveowners just put their money into more slaves, hoping to strike it rich. It was an inefficient system in most places, and even when it brought profit, it wasn't much. But how much America made would become irrelevant. It's just damages.<br /><br />It also bypasses that many black people have a slaveowner in their ancestry. It's not white vs black, it's America vs descendants of slaves. I get it. I also get the idea that people might be willing to pay a great deal just to finally have done with the subject. I think that is ultimately where I would disagree with you that this is wise. This will not finish the argument, even if there were signed agreement that it should and did. As long as African-Americans did less well on standard measures it would be taken as evidence that things were somehow still unfair, even if they weren't It would be intolerable to accept that such a thing might happen for any reason other than prejudice and oppression, and differing outcomes will be used as evidence of oppression for the foreseeable future.Assistant Village Idiothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01978011985085795099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-49766035822550058372019-02-21T19:08:17.592-05:002019-02-21T19:08:17.592-05:00There is another big problem with this proposal (t...There is another big problem with this proposal (taxing white people to pay black people as a one-time payout): it looks a lot like a bill of attainder. This is explicitly unconstitutional.<br /><br />Additionally, there is no way the professionally aggrieved parties would let such a political cudgel go that easily.<br /><br />While the idea may appeal to a romantic sense of fairness, I would argue it has no value once subjected to the cold light of reality.Wayne Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07652553584958469329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-22975523981278011062019-02-21T18:29:43.909-05:002019-02-21T18:29:43.909-05:00We have adequate laws on the books for punishing t...We have adequate laws on the books for punishing the small bits of slavery that occur today, and reparations for that already exist--it's jail for the slaver and civil recovery by the victims from the perp.<br /><br />For the slavery that's the object of this post, I don't know of any slaves currently alive, nor do I know of any slave holder still alive.<br /><br />Nor do I agree that descendants--political entity or person--are responsible for the crimes of their forebears or that descendants of the victims of those crimes are entitled to any recompense. The crimes and the victimhood died with the criminals and the victims. The appropriate response today, and the complete response, is to learn the lessons of those crimes and prevent those conditions from recurring.<br /><br />There has to be an ending, or we'll go all the way back to Lucy looking for excuses to pay up. The best place to draw that end is now. Life isn't fair. Adding reparations at this late date only adds to the unfairness.<br /><br />No reparations. Full stop.<br /><br />Eric HinesE Hineshttp://aplebessite.comnoreply@blogger.com