tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post6058369798799464308..comments2024-03-28T00:01:43.037-04:00Comments on Grim's Hall: More on the MemoGrimhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07543082562999855432noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-27860910218746264322017-08-11T10:59:34.997-04:002017-08-11T10:59:34.997-04:00"treating people as individuals instead of ba..."treating people as individuals instead of based on group membership"--as usual, this is the key for me. None of this nonsense would be a problem if we could learn that trick. Unfortunately, affirmative action and disparate-treatment analysis prevent any effort to treat people as individuals, so you find people trying to argue simultaneously that we're all the same and that we're so different we have to be treated differently according to our victim classification.<br /><br />The fired guy was saying something so obvious: if you're going to demand quotas, you have to look at statistical patterns among groups, or all your ideas about causation (in this context, causation by bias) will be rubbish. If you don't think it conduces to social justice or harmony to focus on statistical differences among groups, then give up the quota nonsense and the disparate-impact nonsense.<br /><br />What a load of balderdash it all is. I thought he had some very sensible suggestions about re-thinking ideas like whether it's best for the company, or best for society, etc., to reward people who are the most type-A and the worst at career/family balance. If the value we place on those qualities is wrong, we should act like it. If it's right, we should quit whining because non-type-A people keep accumulating power and money.Texan99https://www.blogger.com/profile/10479561573903660086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-14796294325408741342017-08-09T21:47:51.170-04:002017-08-09T21:47:51.170-04:00To use the catch-phrase, people are getting red-pi...To use the catch-phrase, people are getting red-pilled over this. Google messed up big, it's not going to get swept under the rug. <br /><br />Eric Blairnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-74795414588751183192017-08-09T19:51:28.441-04:002017-08-09T19:51:28.441-04:00It's not a 'Noble Lie', it's the f...It's not a 'Noble Lie', it's the fact our entire socio-economic philosophical toolbox has been reduced to carrying around the hammer of the Marxist social theory, desperately seeking the nail of oppression in every human relationship.Christopher Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00396671757183163171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-47798476384700915142017-08-09T18:46:15.717-04:002017-08-09T18:46:15.717-04:00I'm wondering how long before the scientists r...I'm wondering how long before the scientists responding to the Google memo are dismissed as "three privileged white males and one banana" and told their Eurocentric interpretation of the data is provincial, invalid, and disempowering, or whatever.<br /><br />I suspect part of the vehement opposition to the memo stems from (beyond a massive failure to understand basic concepts of population statistics among people who are sufficiently well-educated that they ought to know better) is that the old notion of everyone having the right to the pursuit of their own happiness has, over time, turned into the idea that "anyone can be anything" <br /><br />Under a free-market capitalist system (and, judging from history, we've yet to figure out how to keep any other kind running on a large scale and over a long-term), the fruits of society end up distributed roughly according to ability to contribute, as judged by those receiving those contributions. In the modern age, in particular, you get the added wrinkle that occupations that can leverage telecommunications to reach huge audiences simultaneously (tech, finance, entertainment) experience a huge multiplier effect on the rewards for their labor, making them especially lucrative. While individuals generally accept that they have limitations, the idea that their entire <i>group</i> might face <i>inherent</i> limitations on their participation in the most lucrative parts of the economy compared to other groups would, therefore, seem to be an especially destabilizing one. It's similar to the backlash against Charles Murray's research on IQ that we've seen recently. The notion that all differences in participation in sectors of the economy must surely be the sole product of discrimination thus seems to have taken on aspects of Plato's concept of the "Noble Lie" -- true or not, it's a bedrock of people accepting society as it is.Mattnoreply@blogger.com