tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post587633936207995002..comments2024-03-29T03:57:26.974-04:00Comments on Grim's Hall: NYT: Germany's Newest Intellectual Anti-HeroGrimhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07543082562999855432noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-48097301057950577592017-07-22T19:32:06.901-04:002017-07-22T19:32:06.901-04:00The issue with Nazi Germany, was their focus on th...The issue with Nazi Germany, was their focus on the occult and their technology which was derived/inspired by spiritual channeling. Von Braun often talks about how they got all kinds of help in developing their superior tech. The V2 rocket, and various other technologies, which was light years beyond even the mighty US.<br /><br />Any nation or continent, such as the US, can become just like them, if they join the war on the same side. They just need to practice what is commonly known as Satanic worship. None of these ideas came from the human mind on its own. As with Hollywood's automatic writing, it all comes from spiritual channeling. And the more serious the worship, the higher the chances of summoning a more creative spirit.Ymar Sakarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-35736048479761061002017-07-22T19:28:51.589-04:002017-07-22T19:28:51.589-04:00The Japanese point of view hasn't been describ...The Japanese point of view hasn't been described here yet.<br /><br />For those that were on the losing side of WWII, their point of view is dramatically different, once you are able to read their thoughts in their own language or approximates. <br /><br />There's even this joke about a fellowship of the ones who lost the war, notably being Italy, Germany, Japan.Ymar Sakarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-54456902047721173022017-07-18T17:36:42.597-04:002017-07-18T17:36:42.597-04:00Aaaaaand I'm still not buying the "dempgr...Aaaaaand I'm still not buying the "dempgraphic collapse'. Maybe, Maybe there are not enough solvent people to be taxed for the insolvent people, but that's easily solved by not doing that. And we will see that, eventually. <br /><br />But there are 310 million+ people right now in the USA. In 1940, it was 132 million. Right now in Japan there are 126 million+ people. In 1940 it was 71 million. <br /><br />Doesn't look like a collapse to me. Eric Blairnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-87843100130176549962017-07-18T13:08:35.722-04:002017-07-18T13:08:35.722-04:00Grim
Well, there's an even bigger question of ...Grim<br /><b>Well, there's an even bigger question of just what constitutes progress.</b><br /><br />One of my high school classmates had parents who had fled Austria after Hitler took over the country. Her father was, surprisingly to me, both Jewish and conservative. I finally figured it out. Austria and Germany before 1933 may not have been perfect for Jewish people, but for the most part they could lead satisfying lives. The Nazis took power, shouting from the rooftops that they were going to CHANGE things. Which they did.<br /><br />Which helps explain why a Jewish person turned conservative. He saw from first hand experience that not all change is good.Gringonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-22719000757783436972017-07-18T13:01:17.635-04:002017-07-18T13:01:17.635-04:00Eric Blair
This may be because the Japanese didn&#...Eric Blair<br /><b>This may be because the Japanese didn't commit the wholesale atrocities that the Germans did, although they were plenty bloodthirsty, and that combined with the nuclear bombing, which gets played up at every opportunity--may have put the Japanese in the mindset of "well, ok, we started it, but we got thoroughly beat, so there. We're good global citizens now."</b><br /><br />The Japanese were not as systematic as the Germans, but were bad enough. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties" rel="nofollow">World War II casualties</a>: 15-20 million Chinese, 3-4 million in Dutch East Indies (Indonesia).Not to mention germ warfare research and application. <br /><br />The Japanese have issued apologies for their WW2 conduct. The bomb gets played up in Japan- we're victims, too. <br /><br />I wonder if Japan's demographic collapse is at least in part a loss of cultural confidence resulting from World War II.Gringonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-81414334453759637892017-07-18T11:03:48.168-04:002017-07-18T11:03:48.168-04:00To Nmewn's point, I've long argued that pa...To Nmewn's point, I've long argued that patriotism is necessary to health in the same way that it is unhealthy not to love your mother or father. There may be good and valid reasons not to love your mother or father, but it hurts you all the same. <br /><br />I wonder if the demographics aren't being driven by the history, rather than the other way around. Japan has its sense of national identity, but also a sense of national shame at having been defeated by Americans and still not having recovered their independence. To what degree does that influence Japan's culture such that reproducing doesn't seem like a good choice or a desirable option? <br /><br />There are other pressures too -- demographic increases are down among the victors of WWII and the Cold War, too -- but I sometimes wonder if there isn't a connection. If their cultures are to survive, maybe they need to forgive their mother'land' (or 'fatherland,' in Germany's case) so that it once again feels good to contribute to Japan or Germany by providing children and teaching them to be proud of their heritage and culture.Grimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07543082562999855432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-56470045164868341122017-07-17T20:54:26.445-04:002017-07-17T20:54:26.445-04:00The Germans are still trying to figure out what ha...The Germans are still trying to figure out what happened--And unfortunately, they aren't likely to come out of their funk anytime soon--although it remains to be seen how all this actually plays out. Writers like Spengler and Steyn seem to think that demographics rule all, but that is just sloppy history, IMHO. <br /><br />I note that the Japanese more than the Germans have retained a pretty strong sense of national identity--which is still promoted by the government (just watch the English language NHK broadcasts if your local cable company has it). This may be because the Japanese didn't commit the wholesale atrocities that the Germans did, although they were plenty bloodthirsty, and that combined with the nuclear bombing, which gets played up at every opportunity--may have put the Japanese in the mindset of "well, ok, we started it, but we got thoroughly beat, so there. We're good global citizens now."<br /><br />I'll note that in the case of Germany, anti-semitism was a thing in pre-WW1 Germany (and Europe, for that matter), so the frankly weird turn into Nazi racial madness isn't perhaps so weird. <br /><br /><br />Eric Blairnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-45339778298599321252017-07-17T19:24:25.663-04:002017-07-17T19:24:25.663-04:00I'm glad this subject is being broached.
My ...I'm glad this subject is being broached. <br /><br />My thoughts on the German people are they have been traumatized twice/thrice. A never ending litany of world guilt tripping that they must suffer endlessly in silence. There modern laws are framed such that state security forces can't interact with local (as I understand it) and I am by no means an authority on Germany. Just my perception. <br /><br />At some point one would think penance had been paid to the world and the German people allowed to rise and defend their nation and culture again. Russia, Italy, Japan and China have. <br /><br />Just my two cents.<br />nmewnAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-51855097037930083332017-07-17T18:34:12.877-04:002017-07-17T18:34:12.877-04:00I can order it, it will just take a while to get h...I can order it, it will just take a while to get here. Once it odes, I'll bump it to the top of the pile.<br /><br />LittleRed1Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-59028396243884046542017-07-17T13:49:55.892-04:002017-07-17T13:49:55.892-04:00Sure. That's why I'm not a Progressive.
B...Sure. That's why I'm not a Progressive.<br /><br />But I think true Progressives are terrified that progress might not be inevitable, which is one reason I think President Trump frightens them so much. Trump's on the "wrong side of history," so he <i>cannot</i> happen, but he did. That's one big loud-mouthed anomaly in their paradigm.<br /><br />LittleRed1, that would be cool. I would be very interested in that.Tomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-6402900526961598872017-07-17T13:02:18.791-04:002017-07-17T13:02:18.791-04:00Well, there's an even bigger question of just ...Well, there's an even bigger question of just what constitutes progress. Technical progress is easy to mark; moral progress is often just 'we now act more like ourselves than our ancestors did, thus meaning we've progressed.' I'm not convinced that it's a sensible thing to discuss outside of a metaphysical understanding of morality. If you don't have a standard independent of human desire, that kind of progress is just people liking people like themselves more than they like different kinds of people.Grimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07543082562999855432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-89483775710267499952017-07-17T12:10:07.016-04:002017-07-17T12:10:07.016-04:00Well, I don't think the argument is that Ausch...Well, I don't think the argument is that Auschwitz can happen at any moment, but rather that Progress can reverse at any moment. I think it goes back to the original Hegelian / Marxist idea that progress is inevitable, even if messy and bloody.Tomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-29406437912531624602017-07-17T11:57:28.900-04:002017-07-17T11:57:28.900-04:00Germany was among the most modern of nations at th...Germany was among the most modern of nations at the start of WWI. It may however be too strong to say that Auschwitz can happen at a moment's notice to any modern nation. The history between the start of WWI and the rise of Nazism could be important -- certainly Eric Blair reminds me regularly of the powerful effects to be expected from that trauma.Grimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07543082562999855432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-13951024199986927752017-07-17T10:41:01.498-04:002017-07-17T10:41:01.498-04:00Sounds like an interesting argument. I have some r...Sounds like an interesting argument. I have some research books in the queue first, but I may see if I can order the book. If I do, I'll let you know in more detail what his arguments and evidence are.<br /><br />LittleRed1Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com