tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post5675038139107334172..comments2024-03-29T03:57:26.974-04:00Comments on Grim's Hall: A Helpful ArticleGrimhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07543082562999855432noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-89107386619402172782015-07-23T22:52:02.340-04:002015-07-23T22:52:02.340-04:00People that support the Left will never get libert...People that support the Left will never get liberty, no matter how they rationalize it as being good for Demoncrats.Ymar Sakarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-20350982048589127262015-07-17T11:26:48.143-04:002015-07-17T11:26:48.143-04:00I was definitely not thinking of you, Cass, when I...I was definitely not thinking of you, Cass, when I wrote that. <br /><br />On the other hand, there's a distinction worth a difference between "regulation" and "interference." It's regulation to have your courts enforce contracts. It's <i>interference</i> to insist that contracts with certain terms be made available as a condition of being in the market. And that sort of thing is the kind of thing that generally gets opposed, whether in housing or health care or whatever. Grimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07543082562999855432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-9648943448862885852015-07-17T08:59:43.012-04:002015-07-17T08:59:43.012-04:00Because ultimately, that's what socialism is a...Because ultimately, that's what socialism is all about. That everyone lives under the rules set forth by the State (and under the benevolent people that decide what those rules are... but never mind that... we're all equal in socialism). And the specific problem is that they cannot get people to just do things the way <i>they</i> want them done by convincing others of the rightness of their way of thinking, so there needs to be laws passed to <b>make</b> people do what they want.<br /><br />And I can't honestly say that impulse doesn't exist on the Right, either. Because there's the old saw about a Conservative being afraid that someone out there somewhere might be having fun. Frankly, right now at this point in history, I think that's actually better applied to the new Left, but that tendency HAS indeed existed in the past. When I was growing up in Virginia, it was against the law to have sex (married or not) <i>other</i> than in the missionary position. Now, what real purpose did such a law serve?<br /><br />I will agree with Cass, at least as far as <i>this</i> libertarian is concerned, some regulations of the market do need to exist, otherwise there will be abuses perpetrated (and people will be deprived of their property and liberty by force or fraud), and that is antithetical to a libertarian. Find me a free-market anarchist if you want someone who is opposed to ALL regulation (right up until they get ground under its wheels).MikeDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08116809134355184859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-9702820663132219342015-07-17T07:40:54.858-04:002015-07-17T07:40:54.858-04:00Housing is the only one in which I suspect there&#...<i>Housing is the only one in which I suspect there's any strong disagreement lurking, and that simply because the most of you are pretty opposed to government interference in markets of any sort.</i><br /><br />Not in my case. I totally support *some* regulation of markets just as I support *some* regulation of any endeavor by which people violate other people's property or other rights. I don't see markets as some magical realm of human interaction, to which the baser aspects of human nature do not apply. Therefore, sensible regulation is necessary to provide legal recourse and create a stable system in which people can be reasonably confidence they can trade to their mutual profit. <br /><br />I doubt too many conservatives or even libertarians support NO regulation of markets. Again, it's not a binary but a broad spectrum.<br /><br />I oppose Obama's housing nonsense because it will infringe on property rights and the right of free association. And because that jerk has no "right" to tell me I need to live the way he wants me to. If I can earn enough money to raise my family in a safe neighborhood with good schools, I think I should be able to spend my money as I wish to. Yanno... what this fellow says :p<br /><br /><i>It is not true that the mission of the law is to regulate our consciences, our ideas, our will, our education, our sentiments, our sentiments, our exchanges, our gifts, our enjoyments. Its mission is to prevent the rights of one from interfering with those of another, in any one of these things. Law, because it has force for its necessary sanction, can only have the domain of force, which is justice. </i><br /><br />There's no "right to live in that neighborhood over there, and if I can't afford to live there then taxpayers need to subsidize my beautiful and natural right to live wherever I want". Nor is there a "right to live in a racially diverse community".<br /><br />Why, O why can't these liberals stop forcing their values onto others?<br /><br />Cassnoreply@blogger.com