tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post4009125348442831202..comments2024-03-28T09:56:06.298-04:00Comments on Grim's Hall: On the History of ChivalryGrimhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07543082562999855432noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-50985055887876905252012-12-21T14:28:08.861-05:002012-12-21T14:28:08.861-05:00"'Being put on a pedestal' is not obj...<i>"'Being put on a pedestal' is not objectification, it's about being held to standards. These are high standards: honor, nobility of character, virtue, and yes, kindness."</i><br /><br />Excellent standards, but are they really the ones to which ideal ladies are traditionally held? Or at least, are they the salient ones, assuming they are in the set? Because if so, the words "honor," "nobility," and "virtue" have been given a separate and specific meaning when they are applied to women. It's always seemed to me that there's something about that pedestal that encourages a willingness to stand quietly in a circle while being young and pretty, and to demonstrate being "worth dying for" by accepting the circumscribed role.Texan99https://www.blogger.com/profile/10479561573903660086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-84077785478607077682012-12-21T06:38:43.120-05:002012-12-21T06:38:43.120-05:00Thank you, Grim. I was out of town earlier this w...Thank you, Grim. I was out of town earlier this week, and then quite busy since, and so have only gotten to this now. The distinction between the chivalrous and the civil is quite helpful to me.<br /><br />When you got to the part about the female warriors, and how that is not inconsistent with chivalry, it occurred to me something I was recently reminded of with all the talk about violence of late. As Penn says in the "B.S.!" series episode on gun control, "Guns don't kill people and women don't kill people, men kill people.". By and large, violence from females is not a major issue socially, but clearly violence is, typically, a male domain. I think this fits with the need for men to be taught to hold women (and others who might be 'weak', children for instance) in highest regard, as they have the problem of a rage to control physically. Women have issues too, but they differ.<br /><br /><br />I think it's also clear that most people have the impression that chivalry is about men following a code, and women sitting around to be 'honored' by the men. They have no sense of the responsibilities of the woman in such a system.douglashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17261739259295914188noreply@blogger.com