tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post2564011939329641092..comments2024-03-18T22:21:01.033-04:00Comments on Grim's Hall: China Follows AtaturkGrimhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07543082562999855432noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-58032295880071373232017-04-02T19:33:02.042-04:002017-04-02T19:33:02.042-04:00Discussing the veil in terms of rights isn't g...Discussing the veil in terms of rights isn't going to make sense if you insist on viewing it as a matter of the Muslim woman's rights. She has none. It can be a rights issue only from the point of view of a man: the right to force his women to be veiled. From that point of view it's much like the freedom of religion we're accustomed to here.Texan99https://www.blogger.com/profile/10479561573903660086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-70781206471429717662017-04-02T16:16:37.756-04:002017-04-02T16:16:37.756-04:00That tends to blind Americans to how oppressive Is...<i>That tends to blind Americans to how oppressive Islam can become in states where it is not a minority.</i><br /><br />Americans sometimes have a real problem understanding that "the other" can be the more powerful, more advanced, or majority in society. (Most Americans are laboring under the delusion that the Crusades involved powerful, technologically advanced Christians attacking less-advanced Muslims. Other way around: the Muslim combatants in the Crusades were wealthier and more technologically sophisticated than Europeans of the era, but try telling that to someone obediently reciting "But Christians have done bad things too! The Crusades!"<br /><br />I think this is relatively new, actually. Back in the 90s, people seemed able to understand the idea of an oppressive Muslim government, and morally capable of opposing oppression (such as Saudi or Iranian treatment of women) without any mental hiccups.jaedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03328666344764784829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-4403396529992419532017-04-02T15:39:48.218-04:002017-04-02T15:39:48.218-04:00That's hardly a page from 1920's Turkey. I...That's hardly a page from 1920's Turkey. It actually sounds like typical Chinese treatment of troublesome subject peoples. <br /><br />And I doubt that the Pakis or Indains are going to be any more "alarmed" about the Chinese than they already are, although I thought the Pakis were supposed to be putative allies of the Chinese. The Indians are definitely geo-political rivals of the Chinese, and the Pakis and the Indians hate each other, and I'm sure that he (non-muslim) Indians are probably right there with the Chinese on suppressing Islam. <br /><br />I have no idea how this is going to play out, although I'm willing to bet on the Chinese in the long run. Eric Blairnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5173950.post-23567340757151524172017-04-02T14:48:35.744-04:002017-04-02T14:48:35.744-04:00The Chinese are clever. Muslims aren't the onl...The Chinese are clever. Muslims aren't the only ones that will fall prey to this ruling.<br /><br />Not even China's Oligarchy of 9 are immune to internal power plays.Ymar Sakarnoreply@blogger.com