George Floyd transcript

This transcript doesn't sound at all like the impression you get from any of the videos I've seen. Neo argues that it sounds like Floyd was having a heart attack, with the characteristic sense of impending doom. He was recovering from a COVID infection, had at least some heart disease, and may have been having a bad fentanyl reaction. The police sound like guys who were trying to figure out a delirious panic attack.

14 comments:

Assistant Village Idiot said...

My thoughts also. If they were trying to angrily punish a guy who was trouble, I don't think it would sound like this.

Eric Blair said...

Whole thing is so messed up. They'll never get convicted on the basis of this, and then the country will get more riots.

Texan99 said...

Imagine serving as a juror on his case. You'd be doxxed for sure.

raven said...

"Imagine serving as a juror on his case. You'd be doxxed for sure."

And poof goes the idea of a fair trial. The ability to generate an ID, and use the info by a mob of anonymous assailants - that means the only safety is in groups fully prepared to return the favor in spades. Some places this is called tribal warfare.

Anonymous said...

Read the autopsy report here

https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents/public-safety/documents/Autopsy_2020-3700_floyd.pdf

Texan99 said...

Quite a toxicology report. Coronary artery disease and hypertension, but if there's anything in there about an MI, it's over my head. Fentanyl OD?

Larry said...

I read the autopsy report. He was positive for caffeine and nicotine, for methamphetamine, fentanyl, and marijuana. He had significant coronary artery disease in multiple vessels, advanced for his age. They did not find a totally occluded coronary artery, but he could still have had an MI and developed a lethal arrhythmia—meth would increase the likelihood of that happening. I also found it interesting that they specifically looked for signs of trauma to the neck, and found none. Fentanyl OD’s die because they stop breathing, so while he had it in his system and was likely impaired, it was not the primary cause of death.

ymarsakar said...

Any body pressure applied to the back or spine is potential lethal force. Even some rent cops are taught that.

Due to medical issues, underlying issues can turn what feels like a knee to spine hold to death.

If i hit a person and they fall, and a heart attack causes brain blood burst, that is still legally a manslaughter.

james said...

I was trying to figure out what caused the lung discoloration--one web source described something like it and attributed it to a heart issue, but I can't get forensic experience from web-surfing. Is that lung business something relatively normal in the recently dead, or possibly due to asphyxia, or heart disease?

Texan99 said...

Or COVID?

douglas said...

Wow, some interesting stuff in the autopsy report. So far, this catches my eye, and if I were on the officers defense team, I might look more into this point-
"Comments: The finding of sickled-appearing cells in many of the
autopsy tissue sections prompted the Hemoglobin S quantitation
reported above. This quantitative result is indicative of sickle
cell trait. Red blood cells in individuals with sickle cell trait
are known to sickle as a postmortem artifact. The decedent’s
antemortem peripheral blood smear (made from a complete blood count
collected 5/25/20 at 9:00 p.m.) was reviewed by an expert HHC
hematopathologist at the Medical Examiner’s request. This review
found no evidence of antemortem sickling."

Found no evidence of is not the same as saying there wasn't any- also, this is really interesting- from a report on sickle cell trait (which floyd apparently had) and sudden death in AAs-
"US Army research has shown that intravascular sickling can occur in minutes just by doing maximal arm cranking exercises"

I can see where it's possible that the exertion of Floyd resisting could have caused sickling of his cells and his subsequent death.

I'll have to keep reading to see if there's anything else of particular interest.

douglas said...

Pretty sure the description of the lungs is consistent with a smoker, with darker color except at the anterior areas. This part suggests no indication of active Covid (else you'd expect some edema, I think)- "The
pulmonary vascular tree is free of thromboemboli. The
tracheobronchial tree is free of blood, edema fluid, or foreign
material."

douglas said...

"BRAIN (10-12): Sections of hippocampus, cerebellum, cerebral
cortex, and midbrain show the expected
microscopic architecture, without hypoxicischemic, reactive, neoplastic, or inflammatory
changes."

Bolding is mine. So the brain shows no injury due to lack of oxygen (hypo-ischemic)?? I'd love to hear a doctor comment on this.

Also, this comment after reviewing all the organs seems interesting per my previous comment about sickle cell trait-
"NOTE: Many of the above tissue sections, particularly
those noted to have congestion, contain sickledappearing red blood cells."


-End-

douglas said...

Sorry, this is the link to the study I referenced on Sickle Cell Trait- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5966366/