I think it makes sense. Certainly NY (City) and much of NJ and CT are so closely linked they need a shared approach. There are even people who live in Western PA and commute into Manhattan. RI is, of course, peeved at diseased NY-ers carrying the disease with them. I'm not sure why DE is in the group but the more the merrier, I guess.
Could it be because so many NYC companies have a financial presence in DE? I'm not familiar with all the ins and outs of where the commute-from areas are in that region.
I get that especially the NYC metro area needs to coordinate, but I don't see why it needs to be regional in terms of all the policies for reopening. I don't even see all of states like CA or NY as all needing or benefitting from one-size-fits-all approaches. Counties in both states vary wildly in the degree of impact from the virus, and timing differences as well. This should mainly be county by county with coordination at state and regional levels to avoid conflicts that would be problematic.
There’s a 14th amendment issue. But we’re past it already. Cops up here have been turning out of state Americans away from stores. Equal protection is dead, for now.
The OMB union. Can't wait for the extortionate demands for federal bailouts for state budgets due to shutting down their own economies. On a bright note Trump made all the governors agree that it is they, not the federal government, who are closing down their states.
It's a quasi-federalism, but douglas is correct. The cities are dragging the rest of their states in with them, simply because they can. I can see advantages to thinking regionally, but I can't see the mechanism for how this happens without stomping all of the rights of some in favor of others.
It is like my view of city-states. I think if we could get there, the idea of such as nodes in America could be sustainable, but I don't see a clear path from A to B. We have states, and those have meaning beyond the merely emotional and cultural. At lot of our structures for ruling ourselves is built into them.
Ugh! It's not Western Pennsylvania that has people commuting into Manhattan; it's Eastern Pennsylvania. And I suspect Delaware is included because of its proximity to Philadelphia which is another hot spot although not as hot as New York City and the northeastern counties of New Jersey.
Delaware is in because Delawarians commute to and through New York. No less a light than Joe Biden is one of those commuters, glad-handing--literally until recently--everyone on the train, many of whom get off in New York.
Biden by himself is another reason Delaware is in.
No governor, too, can set up a(n illegal) interstate Compact or Agreement with other States that doesn't include all of his own State. Western Pennsylvania is in because Eastern Pennsylvania is in.
Western Pennsylvania is in because Eastern Pennsylvania is in.
I wasn't suggesting that 1/2 would be in and 1/2 out. I was just correcting a left-right, east-west mistake I made. Commuting from Eastern Pennsylvania to Manhattan is nuts; commuting from Western Pennsylvania to Manhattan is just flat-out crazy.
It's not clear to me that the NY-etc group constitutes a Compact or Agreement. Based on this, it sounds more like an advisory group:
I don't think this advisory group will prevent each individual Governor from treating different parts of his/her State differently. The above article says the Connecticut Governor is resistant to doing so - I don't know enough about his State to know if his arguments make sense. I can, however, see NY deciding that north of the Bear Mountain Bridge can be treated very differently from south of it. And I assume there's some dividing line in Pennsylvania where it would be safe to re-open stores and malls and so on without "incenting" people from Philadelphia or Northeastern NJ to drive their virus-y selves out there to shop.
As for the commute, if that's one of the criteria for which States are included, they need to throw in Maryland and DC to finish off the Box-Wash corridor:
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Cuomo says the East Coast states are doing the same:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/04/13/cuomo_hosts_nj_ct_ri_pa_de_governors_to_announce_regional_re-opening_plan.html
I think it makes sense. Certainly NY (City) and much of NJ and CT are so closely linked they need a shared approach. There are even people who live in Western PA and commute into Manhattan. RI is, of course, peeved at diseased NY-ers carrying the disease with them. I'm not sure why DE is in the group but the more the merrier, I guess.
Could it be because so many NYC companies have a financial presence in DE? I'm not familiar with all the ins and outs of where the commute-from areas are in that region.
LittleRed1
I get that especially the NYC metro area needs to coordinate, but I don't see why it needs to be regional in terms of all the policies for reopening. I don't even see all of states like CA or NY as all needing or benefitting from one-size-fits-all approaches. Counties in both states vary wildly in the degree of impact from the virus, and timing differences as well. This should mainly be county by county with coordination at state and regional levels to avoid conflicts that would be problematic.
Be interesting to see these tested in court. Congress has to approve any actual interstate Agreement or Compact.
Eric Hines
There’s a 14th amendment issue. But we’re past it already. Cops up here have been turning out of state Americans away from stores. Equal protection is dead, for now.
All states are going to have to coordinate on their border areas which are often metropolitan.
I'll take half a loaf. At least we're talking about a transition to a sustainable distancing regime and not increased lockdowns, except for a few.
The OMB union. Can't wait for the extortionate demands for federal bailouts for state budgets due to shutting down their own economies. On a bright note Trump made all the governors agree that it is they, not the federal government, who are closing down their states.
It's a quasi-federalism, but douglas is correct. The cities are dragging the rest of their states in with them, simply because they can. I can see advantages to thinking regionally, but I can't see the mechanism for how this happens without stomping all of the rights of some in favor of others.
It is like my view of city-states. I think if we could get there, the idea of such as nodes in America could be sustainable, but I don't see a clear path from A to B. We have states, and those have meaning beyond the merely emotional and cultural. At lot of our structures for ruling ourselves is built into them.
Ugh! It's not Western Pennsylvania that has people commuting into Manhattan; it's Eastern Pennsylvania. And I suspect Delaware is included because of its proximity to Philadelphia which is another hot spot although not as hot as New York City and the northeastern counties of New Jersey.
Interesting interactive map: https://usafacts.org/visualizations/coronavirus-covid-19-spread-map/
Delaware is in because Delawarians commute to and through New York. No less a light than Joe Biden is one of those commuters, glad-handing--literally until recently--everyone on the train, many of whom get off in New York.
Biden by himself is another reason Delaware is in.
No governor, too, can set up a(n illegal) interstate Compact or Agreement with other States that doesn't include all of his own State. Western Pennsylvania is in because Eastern Pennsylvania is in.
Eric Hines
Western Pennsylvania is in because Eastern Pennsylvania is in.
I wasn't suggesting that 1/2 would be in and 1/2 out. I was just correcting a left-right, east-west mistake I made. Commuting from Eastern Pennsylvania to Manhattan is nuts; commuting from Western Pennsylvania to Manhattan is just flat-out crazy.
It's not clear to me that the NY-etc group constitutes a Compact or Agreement. Based on this, it sounds more like an advisory group:
https://www.courant.com/coronavirus/hc-news-coronavirus-updates-0413-20200413-fkf5nfkqrjhm5dfkwqz4ro6otu-story.html
I don't think this advisory group will prevent each individual Governor from treating different parts of his/her State differently. The above article says the Connecticut Governor is resistant to doing so - I don't know enough about his State to know if his arguments make sense. I can, however, see NY deciding that north of the Bear Mountain Bridge can be treated very differently from south of it. And I assume there's some dividing line in Pennsylvania where it would be safe to re-open stores and malls and so on without "incenting" people from Philadelphia or Northeastern NJ to drive their virus-y selves out there to shop.
As for the commute, if that's one of the criteria for which States are included, they need to throw in Maryland and DC to finish off the Box-Wash corridor:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acela_Express#Station_stops
If that's all it is, it would be legal. If carefully constructed, even a Compact would be hard to prove to be a Compact.
Eric Hines
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